Axisbiotix- Probiotic Therapy for Psoriasis

6 Posted Wed 10 Nov 2021 23.54 by The Dictator

So, given the EU, NHS stance, statistics etc, I think a clinical trial is a must

1 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 07.42 by Dearmal

Hi I've suffered out of nowhere 5 Yr ago. All creams etc did was irritate after a while. So far this axisbiotix prebiotic is working. Don't know how but its taking my mind of it. Been taking a month now. A fellow suffer told me about it so I'm doing same. Life changer so far. Less itching and soreness.

3 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 07.59 by Toyin

Dearmal, good for you, the good thing is it keeps improving the longer you take it. I dont know what this dictator chap is up to as he just seems to be against a natural product that works. It must be good as the NPF in America has now partnered with AxisBiotix. https://www.psoriasis.org/watch-and-listen/change-in-gut-health-could-impact-your-skin/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=advanceweeklyNOV092021

5 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 09.01 by The Dictator

Interesting commentary "Dearmal, good for you, the good thing is it keeps improving the longer you take it. " No scientific proof for such a claim . Must be quacks Re: weirdo Wow...you are starting to sound like investors, company staff and paid media now

Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 09.46 by Jackie68 (edited Thu 11 Nov 2021 09.47 by Jackie68)

Sorry, I meant to attach one of the twitter testimonials for you to see. https://twitter.com/axisbiotix/status/1455940464713117706 This fella describes what we go through perfectly and just listen to the emotion in his voice. Brilliant stuff!

3 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 10.34 by Teflon

Took part in the trial for AxisBiotix. Works by acting from within. Worked for me after many years of trying everything else. Been free for aprox. 10 months. You should expect to see results after about 4 wks. and certainly much improvement after 8 wks. I,m still taking it, and my skin is now 99% clear. Having spent literally a small fortune on creams and specialists fees over the years, I would say its a bargain.

7 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 11.00 by The Dictator

Interesting So they have something unique? A probiotic that sometimes is not due to advertising issues , can do all this? And they don't do a clinical study to confirm a world first? And they are a listed company ? Very strange

3 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 14.30 by chris22

Well said Jackie. I apologise to Dictator if I am incorrect but my best guess is that he does not suffer from psoriasis but for reasons best known to himself he wants to troll the company by expressing totally negative sentiments not backed up by any logic. I don't know if this product will fulfil the expectations around it but to anyone with an interest [a sufferer or healthcare professional] its got to be of interest and to myself rather exciting. It will not be a cure so lets get that out of the way and not a single person associated with the company has ever suggested that. There is strong science behind the product and this can all be searched and looked up. The study backs up the science and the results are better than hoped for. Cath O'Neil is the scientific brain behind this from Manchester University and her credentials can be looked up. Its of no surprise if she has shares.I don't know if she bought any or they are part of her remuneration but either way its standard practice and to use this to suggest she is influenced by this is very unfair indeed. The trial I remind everyone was independently set up on behalf of the company but not by the company and the results are there for all to see. The NHS? I don't see the relevance of quoting the NHS view as this product is not aimed at the NHS and as said is a supplement which can be bought over the counter so should not at this stage be judged as a therapeutic drug that is on prescription only.it still goes through the relevant regulatory standards and any claims have to be science backed. Most studies of this nature are done with very low numbers so its very exciting to see these results coming from such a high number of participants, Good luck to those taking Axisbiotix and lets hope it will significantly relieve the symptoms of this awful disease which causes a multitude of physical symptoms and lets not forget the mental health symptoms.

6 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 15.07 by The Dictator (edited Thu 11 Nov 2021 15.12 by The Dictator)

It was ot a trial. It was a study . Very different . That's why the company do not call it a trial . It would be misleading This is science backed? What medical journal is that in ? Regulatory standards? Its a food supplement. That avoids almost all standards really when it comes to "health claims " You do not see the point in quoting the NHS? A national health service view? Wow High number of participants? 😂 "There is strong science behind the product and this can all be searched and looked up. The study backs up the science and the results are better than hoped for." Can you give me links to the medical journals for the above please (not YouTube or parties with financial interests )

3 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 15.31 by Jackie68

I must say that I joined this association to talk to like minded sufferers not rude people who clearly don't understand what we endure. I think its time we reported "Dictator" to the administrators of the association. Several people with psoriasis have reported a significant benefit after using the Axisbiotix product and that should be enough for you, unless you have a hidden agenda?

7 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 17.28 by The Dictator (edited Thu 11 Nov 2021 17.28 by The Dictator)

Interesting I was called weird etc, and now I am the one called rude Why are questions a hidden agenda? Most call it being thorough . I do apologise for asking about something I may ingest . Given no links to medical journals or credible science have been provided, I will simply bid you all farewell and best of luck on the watershake

7 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 17.29 by The Dictator

When you contact the association could you ask them to verify your claims please. Be great as I see nothing about it here either

3 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 18.07 by Toyin

For anyone interested, the study report is below. Also, AxisBiotix has got regulatory approval for the product as a food supplement in the UK and the US where it has been launched, Europe will follow shortly. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0581/7001/5915/files/AxisBiotix-Ps_BRIGHT_Consumer_Study_Report_-_FINAL_1.pdf?v=1634155009

6 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 18.15 by The Dictator (edited Thu 11 Nov 2021 18.28 by The Dictator)

Regulatory approval as a food supplement. As a food. It isnt exactly medical stuff is it re stringent . Was it approved by any regulator as a treatment for Psoriasis ? Or an aid in any way for Psoriasis ? Or are those just classed as health claims ?

6 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 18.17 by The Dictator

Toyin my reasoning for the discussion here was to clarify if people were users or going to act like sales directors 😅

2 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 18.56 by chris22

There is no point in discussing things with the likes of Dictator so I won't bother replying to his ridiculous posts. The supplement is out there so we will soon see the feedback from people who are actually using the product. Of interest to me is we are already seeing some encouraging comments from users even at this very early stage. If the product is no good then we will soon know that. There is nowhere for the company to hide and they are not trying to do this. The Company has explained the science and the product is on the table ready to use. Word of mouth will sell this product if its as good as some of us are expecting. People should not forget that this is a baby of a company and has to make commercial decisions and it doesn't have millions of pounds to head down the snail paced and expensive Pharma route at this stage although my guess is 'someone' will do this at some time in the future.

1 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 19.30 by maxine67

Dictator, 'So they have something unique? A probiotic that sometimes is not due to advertising issues , can do all this? And they don't do a clinical study to confirm a world first? And they are a listed company ?' I do not wish to be rude, or discourteous, but you need to take care with your sentence structure, punctuation as well your points. You are not very clear. Food standards are my area. I am relatively new to Axisbiotix, and the development company. Your listing {presumably plc} makes clear your agenda. I will ignore this because i am unsure what it means,, other than you have a grudge against the board. I will deal with the points you raise. 'Unique?' Yes, it is. Do you understand how incredibly rare it is to blend bacteria together? They fight to the death like cats and dogs. As far as i can tell axisbiotix contains 2 healthy good bacteria STRAINS specific to gut health. Unique and a world first, nobody in the office was aware this had been done. It is truly amazing. No wonder people that have tried it are seeing or feeling benefits so early, is astonishing. Even well know probiotics, normally the OTC and dairy types can take months, if you do feel or see any health benefits, the anecdotal evidence axisbiotix is working in a matter of days, or even a couple of weeks is truly astonishing. This is life-changing for my twin sister, so why do you seek to disrupt its launch? You are not helping, you are not saving anyone, because the very worse, it may be a waste of money. It will not harm them because the trialist can continue using their existing treatment until they are happy to reduce or switch. 'A probiotic that sometimes is not due to advertising issues.' I am unsure of the point you are trying to make. I think you are implying specific health claims cannot be made by probiotic products? To make a specific health claim, be it pre or probiotic, pharma grade, clinical trials are required. However, in the case of probiotics, there is a body of evidence that specific probiotics that incorporated specific bacteria can imply a health benefit if they have undergone a rigorous consumer study, as axisbiotix has. The company went overboard on this because most consumer studies use less than a dozen participants. The company were clearly exceptionally confident of their probiotic blend. This has allowed the company to market their probiotic to psoriasis sufferers in a loose way without making claims it can cure. For example; 'By harnessing the link between gut and skin we have developed AxisBiotix-Ps - a food supplement made up of a bespoke blend of natural bacteria, scientifically selected to alleviate the symptoms of skin conditions like psoriasis.' Most probiotic are allowed to market in this way because there is a lot of evidence to support health benefits. However, there are a lot of rubbish probiotics with no consumer study, these are not allowed to make or imply health benefits. Para 9 REGULATION (EC) No 1924/2006 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 20 December 2006 'Foods promoted with claims may be perceived by consumers as having a nutritional, physiological or other health advantage over similar or other products to which such nutrients and other substances are not added. This may encourage consumers to make choices which directly influence their total intake of individual nutrients or other substances in a way which would run counter to scientific advice. To address this potential undesirable effect, it is appropriate to impose certain restrictions as regards the products bearing claims. In this context, factors such as the presence of certain substances, for example the alcohol content of the product or the nutrient profile of the product, are appropriate criteria for determining whether the product can bear claims. The use of such criteria at national level, whilst justified for the purpose of allowing consumers to make informed nutritional choices, is likely to result in barriers to intraCommunity trade and should therefore be harmonised at Community level.'

7 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 19.39 by The Dictator (edited Thu 11 Nov 2021 19.40 by The Dictator)

Ok. Now add the word 'Probiotic' to it Now what do they say? ..... "This has allowed the company to market their probiotic to psoriasis sufferers in a loose way without making claims it can cure* ..... Aha

7 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 19.41 by The Dictator (edited Thu 11 Nov 2021 19.42 by The Dictator)

Now what direct claim do they make ? Any? If the company isnt making any concrete "direct" claims on paper, (for legal reasons ) how can you?

8 Posted Thu 11 Nov 2021 19.45 by The Dictator (edited Thu 11 Nov 2021 19.48 by The Dictator)

Chris22, think before answering Are you receiving any form of payment including/or benefit in kind? For people that are simply into X product for a condition , how have you managed to turn this thread Into an investor recruitment platform? Coming up with great financial market excuses for everything

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