Enstilar foam

Posted Tue 2 Aug 2016 1.19pm by jdowling1987

Hi there,

Has anyone managed to get Enstilar foam prescribed from their GP, I went this morning but was told it isn't available on the NHS yet, but I'm not sure the doc was really interested...

Posted Wed 3 Aug 2016 10.25pm by sirian83

Hi, I thought it was out already, that's what it said in the Daily Mail. I was going to make an appointment myself to try it out.

Posted Thu 4 Aug 2016 1.35pm by jdowling1987

Yeah that's the article that I read, in the comments someone said they had it prescribed. I went to my GP who looked it up and said it wasn't available on the NHS.

Posted Thu 4 Aug 2016 3.55pm by walker12

I've just had it prescribed by my GP in Leeds on NHS

Posted Thu 4 Aug 2016 9.49pm by jdowling1987

Good to know that it is available then. I'm waiting for an appointment with a dermatologist so I'll see what he says - I was just offered the usual dovobet ointment.

Posted Thu 4 Aug 2016 10.08pm by walker12

My GP is very good. I emailed a link to an article about this medication and she prescribed it without seeing me

Posted Thu 4 Aug 2016 10.42pm by jdowling1987

That's good, I think the dr I saw wasn't fussed and was just looking at the steroid ingredient so went to dovobet. I suppose different doc's are hit and miss. I'll have to keep bugging them. Have you found the enstilar any good?

Posted Fri 5 Aug 2016 2.15pm by adamc

I've been to the gp today who reluctant prescribed me it, think it help that I wasn't going anywhere until he did ๐Ÿ˜Š, anyway went to pick it up to be told the manufacturers have a massive back log and wouldn't be in until the 10th of August

Posted Fri 5 Aug 2016 4.19pm by jdowling1987

Oh wow, I've been mugged off then! Best go back and see another dr. Getting fed up of feeling like a melted candle from dovobet

Posted Fri 5 Aug 2016 4.56pm by walker12

Only just got the medication and going to start it on Monday. Will see how I get on.

Posted Fri 5 Aug 2016 5.15pm by adamc


I pinned an article to my phones front page which stated it was now available on prescription, doctor showed me it was un gray meaning they won't use it as a first course of treatment which made me laugh seeing as I've had psoriasis for 20 yrs, seen the cost to the nhs which is £39 per unit, a lot more expensive than the ointment. Don't take no for an answer ๐Ÿ˜Š

Posted Fri 5 Aug 2016 5.28pm by jdowling1987

Yeah that's wise advise. Funny isn't it that it isn't their first go to treatment but they are quick to discuss methotrexate and other powerful drugs...not too keen on that.

I'll definitely be chasing them up.

Posted Fri 5 Aug 2016 11.08pm by Alipot

I was prescribed this a couple of weeks ago on my first visit to the dermatologist.

Posted Sat 6 Aug 2016 8.54am by DanielC
Had psoriasis since I was 17, now 50+

Morning, does it work? What's supposed to be the main difference compared to the usual topicals?

Posted Sat 6 Aug 2016 9.14am by jdowling1987 (edited Sat 6 Aug 2016 9.16am by jdowling1987)

I couldn't tell you how good it is yet, I'm still trying to get it from my dr.

The main benefit I've read about is the consistency, I think the ingredients are pretty much the same as dovobet but apprently it soaks in a lot easier leaving you less like a wax work for hours which would make me more inclined to use it daily.

Maybe the other peeps that have had this prescribed could give their opinions so far...

Posted Mon 8 Aug 2016 4.45pm by gingermonkey (edited Mon 8 Aug 2016 4.46pm by gingermonkey)
For several years...drives me mad but won't bring me down.

Why are GPs so hit and miss? Having been through the system of GP to specialist and all routes through that (and no great improvement except my own methods of managing pso), I'd like to try this stuff. My GP lacks interest and I know he'll just push me down the route of a specialist rather than prescribe.

Like the melted candle image -- I know how that feels!!

Posted Mon 8 Aug 2016 5.18pm by walker12

Seen this on line from Northampton prescribing commitee - Enstilar is a combination product containing a synthetic vitamin D3 analogue and a synthetic topical corticosteroid (in the same proportions as in Dovobet; 50 micrograms/g + 0.5 mg/g) licensed for topical treatment of psoriasis vulgaris in adults. It is currently the same price as Dovobet and may provide an alternative for patients who are unable to tolerate the ointment formulation.

Posted Mon 8 Aug 2016 9.58pm by Finbar

Try the enstilar now and without delay. It is going great for me.

Best stuff I have ever used.

Posted Tue 9 Aug 2016 4.03pm by DanielC
Had psoriasis since I was 17, now 50+

All sounds very positive. I've just spoken to my GP on the phone & he is issuing a 4 week prescription. So I'll see how it goes.

Posted Tue 9 Aug 2016 4.07pm by Mikey160


My first time on here. After seeing the Mail article I have just been to my gp in Devon. Basically he says it's not on there list yet so I have to wait til it is. so it seems like it's a bit of postcode lottery if you can get it or not.

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Posted Tue 9 Aug 2016 4.14pm by Michael7569

I have been prescribed this but can't find a chemist that stocks it in leeds

Posted Tue 9 Aug 2016 4.19pm by Finbar

The chemists are obliged to order it in. May take a day or two but ask them to order it for you.

Posted Tue 9 Aug 2016 4.20pm by Michael7569

Thank you will try again

Posted Tue 9 Aug 2016 4.39pm by walker12

Headingley pharmacy Shire Oak Street in Leeds has it. Just off Otley Road

Posted Tue 9 Aug 2016 5.43pm by jdowling1987

Funnily enough I've just asked my local pharmacy who have ordered it in for tomorrow but I need to go back to my GP to get the prescription, surely they won't say no now!

Posted Tue 9 Aug 2016 7.06pm by hawklord

Just got back from the doctors myself, guess what, cannot be prescribed in my area ( oxford). Really had a go at the doctor but got nowhere.

Where do you go to find out if it really is just post code luck, reluctance to prescribe due to price, or just cannot be bothered.

Posted Tue 9 Aug 2016 7.08pm by jdowling1987

Good question, I sent an email this afternoon to Leo Pharmaceuticals to ask that question. I'll let you know what they say.

Posted Tue 9 Aug 2016 7.50pm by adamc

You have to sit in your doctors room and simple refuse to leave until he or she prescribes it as it is available everywhere on the nhs, as I said before it is shaded gray on their computer system which means it isn't a product they want to prescribe . I took a document with me proving it was available on the NHS, I also pointed out all the thinks I do in my personal life to try and control it and pointed out that it was effecting my mental health and that the thought of trying a new product would do me mental the world of good, if that doesn't work ask for details of who you need to contact to make a formal complaint, the squeaky wheel always gets oiled ๐Ÿ˜Š good luck

Posted Wed 10 Aug 2016 10.44am by jdowling1987

Just spoke to my regular GP on the phone - he said oh yeah Enstilar, I'll leave a prescription at reception for you. Just goes to show its hit and miss with Dr's.

Posted Wed 10 Aug 2016 10.49am by adamc

Glad to hear you got it jdowling1987

Posted Wed 10 Aug 2016 11.08am by jdowling1987

Cheers, I'll update with how it goes.

1 Posted Wed 10 Aug 2016 12.12pm by gtom

Just been to the gp Enstilar is not passed for prescribing is the message I got, so no Enstilar for DE65

Posted Wed 10 Aug 2016 3.53pm by adamc

Gtom I'd have a search on line if I was you and look at other doctors around your area and see if you can find one where someone there is a registered dermatologist, this can be hard work however have a friend who suffered with acne he did this where he lives and as a result gets a better service worth a try

Posted Wed 10 Aug 2016 4.55pm by Cambrinus
Sporadic scale psoriasis

I was prescribed Enstilar last month (July 19th) by a consultant dermatologist at Nottingham Circle. It was very effective on large plaques immediately, getting skin back to a smooth redness.

However, I have just tried to get my GP to prescribe it and he says that my county health board (Leics.) has disallowed it! I will get back to the dermatologist to find out - GP did not have a clue why not.

Posted Wed 10 Aug 2016 4.59pm by joeq1994


I'm getting mine today. I basically went in and told her (GP) about it and she said it's got the same stuff in as Dovobet. I raised an eyebrow as if to say......'and?' then she told me I need to find out if it's cost effective and I said well dovebet doesn't work and it's made my skin worse by using it too much. After I vented at her she said she would call the pharmacy.

She got back to me later that day and said 'this product is so new it hasn't been tested much' I thought at this point...apart from the hours and hours of testing they do on clinical trial but ok...she then continued ' but if you can try it for two weeks on one part of your body and take photos i'd like to see the results'

So I will let you guys know how it goes

Posted Wed 10 Aug 2016 5.02pm by Cambrinus
Sporadic scale psoriasis

Doctors' excuses - it has not been tested much!!

I suspect that GPs do not want to prescribe it, as it contains betamethasone, so should not be used long term. However, I was prescribed it in tandem with Acitretin (for the next 3 months).

Posted Thu 11 Aug 2016 8.34am by Fredflintstone (edited Thu 11 Aug 2016 10.15am by Fredflintstone)

Hi all. I was prescribed enstilar last week and I have severe psoriasis and after 2 days of using this I couldn't believe it my skin became soft and smooth just leaving a redness which didn't hurt or was not itchy. The only thing is 1 can would only last 4 days which is fine according to the data sheet. So after using this I contacted the doctor again to get another can which was OK. But after getting close to using up this 2nd can I rang the doctor again to get a 3rd but was refused and they are saying it's to expensive to have and is just under £40 a can and said I can't have it no more. This has been the only thing that has ever worked for me. I am so ANGRY. ........

Posted Thu 11 Aug 2016 9.33am by adamc

I seen the cost on my doctors screen its £39 a can

Posted Thu 11 Aug 2016 9.57am by DanielC
Had psoriasis since I was 17, now 50+


Yep, £39.68 a can. Above is just one link of many....

Posted Thu 11 Aug 2016 10.47am by claudette (edited Thu 11 Aug 2016 10.51am by claudette )

hi I went to drs and got it yesterday I am finding it ok so far but only used for couple of days I find if I spray a small amount and rub in it coats well so will last longer as after reading this forum I don't want to be told no more

Posted Thu 11 Aug 2016 6.43pm by Fredflintstone

UPDATE: I have been back to the doctor today and told me that I can carry on having it but need to make it last at least a week as if I have it to regular it will flag up on cost so try and use it sparingly and she has prescibed it till end of month then have a rest from it and if need be start again. HAPPY.........

1 Posted Thu 11 Aug 2016 8.05pm by adamc

Made up for you fredflintstone hope it goes well for you matey

Posted Thu 11 Aug 2016 10.58pm by Michael7569

I started it today but don't think it will last long 1 can and I pay for my prescription gonna try get a repeat see if it works

Posted Thu 11 Aug 2016 11.13pm by adamc

I buy prepaid prescriptions £29 for three months well worth it when your psoriasis flares up even get cetruben moisturizer on it

Posted Fri 12 Aug 2016 1.22pm by jdowling1987

I know this will sound fussy but has anyone else found Enstilar just as greasy as dovobet when rubbed in?

Posted Fri 12 Aug 2016 2.08pm by walker12

Only been using mine about a week and it is greasy. Not sure how much foam you should use. Been covering the entire area. Just small patches on knees and elbows

Posted Fri 12 Aug 2016 9.54pm by Cambrinus
Sporadic scale psoriasis

Spray Enstilar on larger plaques in small doses (2 or 3 'blasts'). Leave for about 5 minutes, then rub in thoroughly. It should not be greasy at all. The effect seems to spread to smaller areas near those plaques.

Posted Sat 13 Aug 2016 11.01am by Mrs scott

I've been using enstilar since Monday but also at the end of the light treatment, I have had a big flare up on my back during the light treatment. Nurse took a pic of my back last night to show consultant next Tuesday, had the treatment last night and I've got terrible prickly heat, I'm using the enstilar just on my legs at the moment. I've had loads of topical creams tried methotrexate, cyclosporin, acitrectin I think the next step for me is injections, I find Balneium plus moisturiser is good I've been using all over I've even found its better for my face than all the steroid creams. Had ps for 40 years wish there was a cure.

Posted Sat 13 Aug 2016 4.47pm by jdowling1987

Sorry to hear that Mrs Scott, have you tried aveeno cream to moisturise and aveeno shower gel, I find that helps, it's quite soothing. It was recommended to me by the nurse who did my light treatment.

Hope you get a break with it soon.

Posted Sat 13 Aug 2016 6.33pm by Mrs scott

Yes I've tried the aveeno, I'm using Himalayan salts for bathing at the moment then the Balneium plus afterwards.its so uncomfortable at the moment with this burning and itching on my back, I'm taking antihistamines as well. People keep saying how well I look with the tan but I don't feel it at the moment. Ve got my last week of treatment next week will see what consultant says ..

Posted Mon 15 Aug 2016 9.11am by Michael7569

Started last Thursday and it's been great my skin is a massive improvement can't recommend it enough.from been covered and sore itchy to smooth and really light pink in less than a week is remarkable I even went swimming twice at the weekend.i would have never the week before

Posted Mon 15 Aug 2016 12.42pm by adamc

I've been using the product since Last Wednesday and can see a massive difference impressed see how long it will repress it

Posted Tue 16 Aug 2016 10.01am by Michael7569

I ran out of it tried getting on repeat and was refused said I can't have it till I seen a doc and he is on holiday.have to wait till tomorrow to see doc

Posted Tue 16 Aug 2016 2.17pm by sarah

Currently using enstilar foam my doctor says I can only use it for 6 weeks why?

They finally give you something that works then say you Carnt have it .

Posted Tue 16 Aug 2016 6.28pm by KathrynnAnn

I've not read the entire post sorry if somebody's already said this but I managed to get it prescribed by a dermatologist on the nhs just 2 weeks ago on the 1st August. Actually seeing my gp shortly hoping to get some more cause I'm running low, it seems to be working well! Hope you manage to get it prescribed

Posted Sat 20 Aug 2016 3.47pm by Gopher680 (edited Sat 20 Aug 2016 3.53pm by Gopher680)

Hi people I am an extremely happy person at the moment into my second week with this foam and the transformation to say the least is astounding, my arms are almost clear just a little bit red, my legs and back, which were by far the worst are looking really good, cannot wait for my holidays now, shorts on without all the people staring, I have two weeks left of the treatment so will keep you all up to date. I really hope this works for everyone

2 Posted Mon 22 Aug 2016 6.08pm by adamc

Update on my use of ensilar, wow this treatment is awesome cleared it all up just got white patches pretty much cleared it in two weeks working away at the moment and for the first time in years I put my shorts and t shirt on and visited the gym what a difference not being self conscious makes to your mental health hope it works for everybody else

Posted Fri 26 Aug 2016 10.09pm by Pauline

I've suffered with this condition for 43 years, tried almost every cream and ointment there is. I am currently day 3 of using ensilar and can see a big difference already. To be honest, it's very greasy and doesn't seem to soak into the skin but I think that's a small price to pay if it works. I would urge anyone to give this new treatment a try. By the way I got this on prescription from my GP in Leeds ๐Ÿ˜Š

Posted Sat 27 Aug 2016 0.35am by Gopher680

Well 3rd week of this wonder foam what can I say NOT GREASY JUST AMAZING working for me love it

Posted Wed 31 Aug 2016 4.04pm by tonyshepp

2nd Week in and all my flakes have gone, skin is now slightly pink in those areas. Ive got mine from a doctors in Chesterfield.

I was using the Dovobet ointment before with no success.

Posted Wed 31 Aug 2016 8.30pm by adamc

Anybody got any info on the typical remission period with enstiar

Posted Wed 31 Aug 2016 11pm by Priyap

week one of using enstilar and am extremely happy, for the first time in 9 years i have smooth skin, i actually feel excited that i might be able to wear a skirt/shorts or even take my 3 year old swimming! recommend this to everyone. Also it was a battle with my Gp to get this prescribed.

Posted Thu 1 Sep 2016 5.54pm by Westie53

I also have been to the doctors about Enstilar & it seems it not available as yet

Posted Thu 1 Sep 2016 8.58pm by Cambrinus
Sporadic scale psoriasis

Enstilar has been available now for weeks - if your GP says it isn't, s/he is trying to mask the fact that s/he does not want to prescribe it or is not allowed to do so.

Posted Mon 5 Sep 2016 11.52am by takemehomee

i live in Wales so scripts are free, could i ask my GP to give it me if I paid for it on private script etc if i get denied the usual way


2 Posted Thu 8 Sep 2016 9.23am by Michael7569

Had it prescribed twice and now docs said not allowed to prescribe it to anyone cos of cost.found something that works at last and they won't let me have it.

Posted Thu 8 Sep 2016 12.59pm by adamc

Gutted for you mate, I'm coming to the end of first tin and a little worried will get the same treatment

Posted Thu 8 Sep 2016 3.14pm by Michael7569

Doctor wanted to give me it but said he not allowed to prescribe it to anybody now

Posted Thu 8 Sep 2016 4.57pm by adamc

Find it hard to believe that it can no longer be prescribed, probably another postcode lottery mate

Posted Thu 8 Sep 2016 9.01pm by Macks

I asked my doctor to prescribe it last month. He said it cost the same as my usual treatment (about £30) so was happy to do so.. I have psoriasis on my knees, elbows and shins and have tried many treatments in the last 20 years with only limited success. After applying Enstilar once a day for a week it was 80% improved and after 3 weeks it has completely disappeared. I haven't applied any for a week and no signs of re occurrence. Fingers crossed.

Posted Sun 11 Sep 2016 9.35pm by GregB
I have suffered with Psoriasis permanently for over 30 years

No problem getting Enstilar from my GP. Currently 3/4 of the way through one can. I've been using Dovobet Ointment on an off for years. I have to say Enstilar is absolutely amazing it has completely cleared my arms in just 2 weeks, there is no trace whatsoever of any dryness or psoriasis on my arms now. After 30 years of permanent psoriasis on my arms at varying degrees of severity nothing has cleared it up completely (except for Narrowband UVB briefly) it is almost like a miracle cure finally although I'm interested to see if or how quickly it returns.

1 Posted Thu 15 Sep 2016 9.38am by Ivyg

It is available as I have had it. It worked really well as soon as I tried it. It was truly amazing however you could only use it for 4 weeks and gp refused to give any more. Now my psoriasis is back worse than ever before and no matter what I apply to my skin it is doing now good what so ever

Posted Thu 15 Sep 2016 7.03pm by Pegs

I'm 10 days in to using Enstilar and can not believe the results. My legs and elbows are soft and smooth, not something I've been able to experience in 30 years. I'm amazed. The flaky dry patches have gone, left with redness where it was but this is fading every day. It's the first time I've been excited about a skin treatment! My doc gave me a months supply of 1 can per week and put it on repeat. At this rate I may not need the repeat! Loving it!

Posted Thu 15 Sep 2016 8.20pm by Westie53

Have finally been prescribed Enstilar have to say the results of using this are amazing clear skin

for the 1st time in a long while

Posted Thu 15 Sep 2016 9.15pm by walker12

I've been using mine for nearly 4 weeks now and my skin is very smooth, I still have the redness. Is it worth continuing the treatment with Enstillar

Posted Tue 20 Sep 2016 5.42am by dalemolloy
I have had the problem for 57 years, these days it is mostly the arthric symptoms that bother me

Hi! Fascinating discussion, is Enstillar suitable for facial psoriasis?

Posted Thu 22 Sep 2016 8.50pm by Pegs (edited Thu 22 Sep 2016 8.51pm by Pegs)

The information sheet with the foam says to avoid the face as the area is much more sensitive to steroids.

I would discuss it with your gp or skin specialist though, they may think it's OK in moderation?

I'm now 2 1/2 weeks in and some patches on my body gave completely disappeared. The tougher areas on my legs and elbows are smooth and redness is now fading. I'm off on holiday in 3 weeks and can't wait to be able to walk about in shorts and t shirt without feeling self conscious. So far so good, this foam may just have changed my life!

Posted Thu 22 Sep 2016 8.58pm by Pegs

I would love to hear from anyone further along in their treatment than me please. Does the psoriasis reappear if you stop using the foam?

Posted Sun 25 Sep 2016 10.19am by Peter W (edited Sun 25 Sep 2016 10.20am by Peter W)
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Recently started on Enstilar, and it seems very good. The clinical trials show about 55% success vs about 43% for Dovobet ointment (I can post a link to the scientific paper if anyone's interested). So, not enormously better, overall, but really significant if you're one of the people for whom it works. Also, I find it much easier to apply, and the spray is quite soothing.

I've also had difficulty getting it prescribed (on cost grounds). This is not helped by the Dematology outpatients saying I should use it, but insisting that the GP prescribes it, rather than prescribing themselves. The cost then goes on the GP budget, and not the hospital, of course.

This seems a bit strange, as Enstilar is actually the same cost as Dovobet ointment (£39.68 for 60g). [MIMS online].

2 Posted Sun 25 Sep 2016 10.11pm by sarah

I have had 2 cans of enstilar and it cleared all of my psoriasis then doctor gave me calciptriol ointment all my psoriasis is back with avengence

Posted Mon 3 Oct 2016 11.52pm by Vivgreen80

Hi everyone

I've just found this website/forum after doing a Google search for enstilar.

Had appt with dermatologist and have had it prescribed.

Can I ask how it is working for everyone now please?

Thank you

Posted Tue 4 Oct 2016 7.47am by Pegs

Hi Vivgreen8o. I'm into my 4th week and still amazed by the results. Having suffered with psoriasis for almost 30 years I was cynical. However, my psoriasis is almost gone. No red raised scaly patches at all. Pink patches where the most problematic psoriasis was but this is fading. I'm using on average a can a week. I'm hoping there's a repeat prescription at my surgery to collect this week. I've been taking pics weekly to show the improvement incase doc tries to stop the treatment. Good luck and let us know how you get on with it. I've found spraying it on areas and leaving for a few minutes before rubbing it in helps with application.

Posted Tue 4 Oct 2016 10.15pm by Vivgreen80

Hi Pegs, thank you for your reply. Day 2 for me and already my patches are turning a pale pink rather than looking angry. I'm pretty excited about the next few weeks.

I emailed my GP today and he has prescribed me a second can already so, so far so good.

My only issue with it is that it is soooo greasy, even more so than the Dovobet gel I was using. My dermatologist said it was non greasy and absorbed much more quickly and efficiently. I don't find this at all. I am still a bit greasy now and I put the foam on 9.5 hours ago. The loo is the worst, I'm having to spray and wipe the seat every time I sit on it, as I have pso on the back of my thighs so I leave the loo seat like an oil pan lol! (tmi probably lol)

But it is a much thicker grease than the Dovobet. I've read people say it's not greasy at all, I don't understand it lol.

Posted Wed 5 Oct 2016 9.59am by harmonica123

After 15 years of sufferingI got Enstilar prescribed 10 weeks ago although the doctor said it was the same as Dovobet. I used it once a day on the back of my scalp for one week, and it cleared up completely. No itching, placques, scurf or redness ! I went on holiday after one week and purposely didn't take it with me so see what would happen. Nothing! Ten weeks later I've not used it again, and all the symptoms have disappeared completely. I checked with my pharmacist that it was on the list of prescribed medicines before going to the doctor, but it wasn't necessary to argue my case. Hope it works for you.

Posted Wed 5 Oct 2016 2.02pm by Toodlesoodles

This stuff sounds really interesting. Going to enquire about it when I see my dermatologist this month. I suffer from very mild psoriasis but have a bigger, stubborn patch on the side of my left leg that I just want gone. Had it for 2 years and nothing seems to work on it. Dovobet faded it a little but then I got raised sensitive to the touch spots appear in the patch and also folliculitis.

Really hope I can get my hands on some of this!

Posted Wed 5 Oct 2016 3.45pm by Vivgreen80

Wow harmonica, that's fantastic results. I have had psoriasis for as long as I can remember, twice I have gone into complete remission, it just cleared on its own. I had almost a year free each time but then ended up with strep throat and both times it came back worse than before.

My arms and legs are covered, have a few random patches on my sides and a couple of tiny patches on my back. I've spent all summer in trousers, I didn't want to go abroad as no way I would have my legs on show. My arms I occasionally do have uncovered but they are so bad I get stared at :/

The thought of being psoriasis free again has already improved my general well being.

As well as prescribing me enstilar I have also been referred for photo light treatment and been given an info sheet on methotrexate. The enstilar was just meant to provide some relief while I waited for referral but from reading this thread I am hopeful I may not need the other treatments. Fingers crossed.

Posted Wed 5 Oct 2016 5.40pm by Pegs

Hi Vivgreen8o, I also found it greasy when I first started using it but think I was being a bit over generous with the amount I was applying! I also found that short bursts of spray give better coverage for me. Also leaving it for a fee minutes before rubbing it in. I go over my whole body applying the foam then start to work it in to my skin, massaging it in as much as I can. It does leave a light greasy sheen but certainly not excessive. I hope the advice helps and you continue to see positive results. I'm off to Turkey next week, can't wait to get my legs out in the sun! I've stocked up on high factor suncream, expecting to be sensitive to the sun.

Posted Wed 5 Oct 2016 5.46pm by Banker

I too went to my GP after seeing the article in the daily mail.He had never heard of it but went on his PC and confirmed it was available but as far as he was concerned was dovobet.However I persuaded him to give me a prescription.After just 4 days my legs were greatly improved and after 2 weeks they were virtually clear.It is now 6 weeks since I stopped using and my legs remain virtually clear with no itching or flaking.My GP could not believe it when I returned after 4weeks.I have been suffering for 10 years with my legs in a hell of a mess for last 2.All I use now is an emollient once a day.

Posted Wed 5 Oct 2016 7.23pm by Cambrinus
Sporadic scale psoriasis

Two points:

Could anyone using the forum let us know which health authority you are with - that way, we can find out who's prescribing Enstilar and who isn't.

Although they have essentially the same ingredients, everyone is finding Enstilar much more effective than Dovobet - can we have a doctor tell us why this might be the case?

Posted Wed 5 Oct 2016 7.29pm by Banker

Good points.I am in Hywel Dda Health Authority West Wales.

No idea why it works but for me it does and after what I have been through it is fantastic

Posted Wed 5 Oct 2016 8.34pm by Vivgreen80

Ahhh. I will try using less then and wait before rubbing in, thank you for the advice.

In reply to my area, i'm in Milton Keynes.

Posted Wed 5 Oct 2016 10.23pm by walker12

I'm in LEEDS West Clinical Commissioning group and no problem getting my GP to issue a prescription. Used it for about 4 weeks on patches on my knees and no sign of psoriasis returning.

Posted Thu 6 Oct 2016 12.08pm by Pegs

I'm in Herefordshire, whilst doc was reluctant to prescribe I managed to persuade her!

Posted Thu 6 Oct 2016 12.40pm by JamesM

I've visited my GP in SW London who won't prescribe it. Was referred to St George's dermatology and whilst the dermatologist knew of Enstilar and its benefits he told me it wasn't allowed to be prescribed by his Health Association.

He told me to get referred to Kingston hospital as they do prescribe it. Annoyingly he wouldn't refer me to Kingston so I went back to my GP who refused to refer me there too. So now I'm stuck with Dovobet which I've used for years without ever clearing up my psoriasis.

Posted Thu 6 Oct 2016 12.47pm by Banker

That's truly disappointing. My GP would not prescribe to begin with have you taken a print of the letters confirming the excellent results and taken them to him. Otherwise have you contacted your health Board to see why they are not prepared to prescribe. If we were able to I would attach photos of my legs before and after as proof of its effectiveness.

Posted Thu 6 Oct 2016 1.04pm by Priyap

Hi JamesM im in worcester park my gp prescribed this to me. However i used to work in a gp surgery in wimbledon which is wandsworth ccg and i know they have also been prescribing there.

Posted Thu 6 Oct 2016 4.17pm by JamesM

Thanks for your replies Banker and Priyap. I'm going to email Wandsworth ccg and see what response I get. My GP was adamant they weren't allowed to prescribe me it and the dermatologist at St Georges said they weren't allowed to also. He also told me that some trial cans had been delivered to the hospital but they had been confiscated before the dermatology department could get their hands on them. It does seem to me that it's all about budget between surgeries and hospitals as neither wants the cost, which is ridiculous as it is the same price a current ointments and could clear up a condition I've had for over 20 years,resulting in me not needing further treatment if it proves as successful for me as it has for many other people on this forum.

Posted Thu 6 Oct 2016 5.11pm by hellsplym

I live in Plymouth in Devon and I wrote to my gp to request a prescription for enstilar, I picked it up the next day and have been using it now for two day's. I will keep you posted on how it works.

Posted Thu 6 Oct 2016 7.22pm by Pegs

I'm in Herefordshire and just picked up my repeat prescription of Enstilar, I had 4 cans a month ago but had explained to my gp that a can only lasts about a week. They have obviously listened to me as I have another 4 cans this month. So relieved!

Posted Thu 6 Oct 2016 10.07pm by Vivgreen80


I found this. Explains why enstilar works better than other treatments

Posted Fri 7 Oct 2016 6.44am by Cambrinus
Sporadic scale psoriasis

Thank you very much indeed, Vivgreen80.

This is precisely why all of us are reporting such improvement! It also shows up the relatively primitive nature of stuff like Dovobet, which nevertheless costs the health authorities nearly as much as Enstilar. A good argument to take to your GP, everyone.

Posted Fri 7 Oct 2016 9.35am by Toodlesoodles

Got an appointment with my dermatologist in early November so I am going to ask about this. Surely with all the positive responses this is getting it's just a matter of time before it's prescribed everywhere? It's down right cruel to withhold it from people suffering from this debilitating condition.

Posted Fri 7 Oct 2016 2.01pm by Carole


I have been using Enstilar since 4th Aug, My GP was doubtful at first but I managed to persuade her with the Daily Mail info, as nothing was clearing it at all from my hands and feet.

I was instructed to use for 4 weeks only then 2 weeks free which I have done, I am finally seeing a vast improvement, less red, less itchy and not so much build up of skin. As for being greasy, i find that if you shake the can very very well the spray is not so greasy, I leave it for about 5min before gently smoothing it in. Down side is, during the two free weeks it does come back with avengence, however the positive is that I now have two weeks or so that it isnt as sore, red and flaky. Good luck to those of you trying to get it prescribed.

Posted Sun 16 Oct 2016 5.53pm by sjp123

I must be lucky ordered my usual prescription for Dobovet and my G P gave me Enstilar. Been using it 4 days scales have gone spots are bright red. I have guttate psoriasis. Will keep you informed

Posted Sun 16 Oct 2016 6.19pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Update: Been using Enstilar for 3-4 weeks now, and finding it fantastic, in most places. Has virtually cleared very scaly plaques from elbows (about 8cm diameter) and skin there is almost normal. Previous HUGE patch on calf now has no plaques, but still very red. Strangely has not a huge effect on my hands, despite them also being exposed to the sun.

Pharmacist at Boots was outraged at GPs reluctance to prescribe. I ran out on holiday (because they wouldn't prescribe the amount I wanted "on cost grounds"), but have reissued it now that I'm back. (Norwich/Norfolk area).

Posted Sun 16 Oct 2016 8.49pm by sjp123

I like Peggs am in Herefordshire

Posted Mon 17 Oct 2016 7.22pm by gain117

Is any one getting ensilar from Dorset. I've just been to my doc and he says he cant give it to me coz its not on his list. Ta

Posted Thu 20 Oct 2016 9.23pm by Angelalewis54

Got Enstilar foam today .heres hoping it help s .

Posted Fri 21 Oct 2016 4.57pm by Loretta Gold

I did not know much about Enstilar but I found good information here: https://www.seenso.com/index.php?dbname=Rose&st=psoriasis+enstilar. Especially the article from BioSpace provides some interesting details.

Posted Fri 21 Oct 2016 6.41pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Thanks for that link, Loretta, Some interesting stuff there. I've seen a good little video from the manufacturer, explaining how it works. In a nutshell, they say that the actives you find in Dovobet (the same ones in Enstilar) are partially in the form of crystals, which are not absorbed well. In Enstilar, the actives are made soluble by the propellant (butane). When the butane evaporates, the actives remain in a super-saturated solution, and can therefore be absorbed better. Very clever!

So, if GPs tell you it's the same as Dovobet, you can explain to them why it's not!

Posted Fri 21 Oct 2016 8.42pm by Meany1972

Firstly, hello everyone I'm new here.

I have just been to my GP in Macclesfield as suffering from bronchitis, when listening to my back the GP said oh I see you have Psoriosis, what do you use?

I said I've had it 25 years ( new doctor ) I used and tried everything but I tend to mix n match Davinex and Davobet he asked if I had heard of enstilar I said no but the treatment I use keeps it flat and I have concluded that it will never go so under control is what I have settled for, basically fobbing him off. He then got leaflets out and showed me how much of a supposed break through this new treatment is then he had my interest. He asked would I like to try it? I said of course he said it is the same price as dovobet it is made by the same company and they are actually recommending GP,s to recommend their patients to make the change and try it. Basically cost is the same it a 1 application per day for a month then nothing then see what happens. I was more excited about this than the antibiotics to stop my chest infection. He prescribed me a tin just as I showed him a large patch on my leg and said I go through quite a lot of cream he then upped my prescription to 2 tins which he has put me in a repeat so I urge all of you that are having trouble don't take no for an answer go loaded with the facts and the costs and get this treatment, if it works as good as some people are saying it's a game changer ๐Ÿ‘ Good luck.

I will report back to let you know how I'm finding it.

Posted Sun 23 Oct 2016 5.12pm by sjp123

Hello everyone I'm on day 8 of Enstilar. I am beginning to see a change. I have guttate p and my legs are always the hardest to clear. I have read the posts and was a bit sceptical for me but I can see that the scales have gone and the p has gone from blood red to pink. I actually HATE looking at it. I always put a dim light on when I shower. After all these years I still can't bear looking at it. Does anyone else feel the same

Posted Mon 24 Oct 2016 7.07am by Julieh

I went to my doctors and advised her that I had read about this new treatment and she wasn't even aware of it.....even though she runs the skin clinic at our doctors. Anyway, I was given the treatment and it has worked amazingly well and my skin is now smooth for the first time in years and I feel so much more confident! Even been out in a dress recently! However, because I've stopped applying it every day, it's started to come back and I'm gutted. Anyone else found this?

Posted Mon 24 Oct 2016 11.03am by RosetaStone

Had Psoriasis for 5 years, onset at 41, No hereditary background.

I have tried Enstilar for 2 weeks now . The results are astonishing. The plaque psoriasis on lower legs, knees and elbows has been cleared completely. It was prescribed by GP and not the dermatologists.

Skin is clear non-red and no pustules. Previously I was on Acitretin and phototherapy. I refused Metho. treatment.

I am clear for now and will try it on scalp patches.

Give Enstilar a try- bed time application -shake-spray-rub

Posted Mon 24 Oct 2016 6.11pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

@RosetaStone: That's great news. Hope it keeps working for you. Would be good to hear if it comes back when you stop.

Posted Mon 24 Oct 2016 10.35pm by Banker

Hi Peter W.I have been suffering for 10 years.The last 5 in agony after scratching.After 4 weeks my legs are clear and have remained that way for the last 10 weeks.

Posted Tue 25 Oct 2016 7.48am by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

@Banker: That's great to hear. Mine flared up last December, probably linked to a very stressful year, all over my back and legs. Also, for the first time, on my fingers and palms of my hands. For me, the worst bit was scratching it in my sleep, and waking to find the sheets covered in blood spots. Not nice.

Enstilar has virtually cleared my legs now, but back and hands still bad - back is mainly because I can't easy apply Enstilar there. Sill waiting for a phototherapy course after 23 weeks from referral.

Glad to hear your P hasn't returned.

Posted Tue 25 Oct 2016 2.11pm by Carole

Hi Folks,

Im 12 weeks on from first application of Enstilar, (small break in between)

Deffo seeing results, I have P on Hands and Feet, have had Phototherapy, UVB, PUVA Acetretin, Topicals, Was prescribed Methotrexate but avoided the course and was dropped by my hospital. Past trends for treatment have been improvement for a week or so but quickly reverting back to bad P once skin gets used to new med. Enstilar though really does seem to be working and skin less red and itchy with smooth patches for the first time in years.

Posted Wed 26 Oct 2016 9.51am by gingermonkey
For several years...drives me mad but won't bring me down.

Peter W, having had similar flares I understand all too well. At this time of year I have two or three 45 min baths a week with a combo of dead sea salt and magnesium flakes and a good exfoliate, purely to keep the plaques down and stop the itch. It works for me every time. No cure that's for certain, but it takes skin down to smooth which is a win as far as I am concerned. Still trying for enstilar, apparently not available yet in my area....

Posted Wed 26 Oct 2016 4.48pm by gingermonkey
For several years...drives me mad but won't bring me down.

Update, I saw a different doc this aft and have a script for Enstilar now. He was however of the view that enstilar is identical to dovobet, just a different method of deploy/application (foam). He also added that he hopes it works better for me, but to bear in mind that he understands that the patent for dovobet (as was) has recently expired and it may be likely that the pharma co are merely finding a way to patent a new method of delivering the same product but in a different form. I said as long as my clothes don't stick to it - I don't care!!

Posted Wed 26 Oct 2016 6.23pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Hi GingerMonkey (!),

Really glad you've managed to get a script for Enstilar. You might not have seen my earlier posts. Your GP is right that Enstilar contains the same active ingredients as Dovobet, and has a different method of application. The method of application means it is much better absorbed.

I've seen a good little video from the manufacturer, explaining how it works. In a nutshell, they say that the actives you find in Dovobet (the same ones in Enstilar) are partially in the form of crystals, which are not absorbed well. In Enstilar, the actives are made soluble by the propellant (butane). When the butane evaporates, the actives remain in a super-saturated solution, and can therefore be absorbed better.

The clinical trials show about 55% success vs about 43% for Dovobet ointment (I can post a link to the scientific paper if anyone's interested). So, not enormously better, overall, but really significant if you're one of the people for whom it works.

You GP's also not right about the patent situation. Dovobet is covered by two patents, and the second of them doesn't expire until 27 January 2020. Maybe a bit longer if they they have obtained what's called a Supplementary Protection Certificate.

The Enstilar Patent won't expire until 10 June 2031.

Good luck with the treatment, and thanks for the tip about the bath regime - I might try it out. In the meantime, though, I heard today that my phototherapy starts next week - yay!

Posted Mon 31 Oct 2016 9.26am by Alvy

Have just started using Enstilar foam. It should be used for 4weeks,how long must I wait before starting again?

Posted Mon 31 Oct 2016 5.28pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Hi Alvy,

I have the same question - I don't know. I suggest you talk to your GP or dermatologist. I'm about to start phototherapy, so need to stop Enstilar during that. I'll ask the dermatologist when I see them though.

Posted Mon 31 Oct 2016 6.12pm by sjp123

I'm afraid the Enstilar is not working for me. I thought it was but taking a reality check it's not so back on Dovobet

Posted Mon 31 Oct 2016 6.21pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Hi sjp123,

Sorry to hear that. The clinical trials were on plaque psoriasis, and you said you have guttate. I don't know whether the same treatments are usually used. I'm a bit surprised to hear you are back on Dovobet, as its the same active ingredients as Enstilar, but just in a different carrier, which seems to be less effective than Enstilar. And haven't you only been on Enstilar for a couple of weeks?

Was that a GP recommendation, or a dermatologist?

Posted Mon 31 Oct 2016 6.28pm by sjp123

Hi Peter my GP just gave it to me I knew nothing about it until I joined this group

I will be guided by you and persevere I just read alot of the messages where people said they were having quick results. Thank you for replying. Enjoy your evening

Posted Mon 31 Oct 2016 6.35pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s


At the end of the day, you need to be guided by your GP or dermatologist. I am neither, although I do read a lot about the treatments. However, don't be afraid of asking your GP why they are doing something (e.g. asking why you're back on Dovobet when it's the same active ingredients) - many of them are not very experienced with dermatology, and it might prompt them to refer you for some more specialised treatment.

Have a good evening yourself!

Posted Mon 31 Oct 2016 7.57pm by walker12

I must be lucky in Leeds that my nominated GP issued a script without seeing me. I had emailed the news item about Enstillar. It has proved very effective

Posted Mon 31 Oct 2016 8.40pm by adamc

Hi sjp123

If you first got guttate psoriasis after streptococcus infection you need a course of antibiotics to get rid of the bacteria, any treatment you will use will have little effect on guttate if you still have the bacteria lingering in your system. Hope this helps and good luck

Posted Tue 1 Nov 2016 9.54am by Joanne McMillan

I am going to the docs on Friday and will be asking for Enstillar, glad I joined this group.

Posted Tue 1 Nov 2016 7.13pm by Jake

I've been rubbing dovobet and all sorts of ointments for years with mixed results. I went to my GP and asked for Enstilar and presto.....after only 4 days I saw results and after 2 weeks big difference. To aid the process I went on holiday to Sicily where I spent hours in the salt water sea and refrained from alcohol. It's all vanished!!!!!!!

For those of you who are on blood pressure meds like Ramipril or ace inhibitors and beta blockers, I found they are huge contributor to flare ups and expansion across the body. I have stopped taking them as well.

I feel so completely confident now and go to the gym in shorts and t shirt and strut my stuff like I haven't in 10 years!! Thank you Enstilar and NHS.

BTW in USA it costs 4000 a month...so for those who are complaining about 39 quid a month thank God we live here....and yes I pay taxes here :)

Posted Tue 1 Nov 2016 8.38pm by RosetaStone

I have been on Enstilar from 24 Oct now. I am nearly 100% clear. The skin is reddish but no pustules and no scales.

This is a 4 week trial. I am confident and roll my sleeves at work without inhibitions. Dovobet was depressing and it did not descale in my specific case.

All the best.

Posted Tue 8 Nov 2016 5.43pm by Toodlesoodles

Just been prescribed Enstilar by my dermatologist but couldn't find any chemist within a 15 mile radius that stock it so had to have it ordered in and will receive it tomorrow.

Really looking forward to seeing what it can do for my very mild psoriasis. Just hope isn't a disappointment.

Any updates from those that Enstilar has worked well for? Some said the patches they used it never came back.. Is that still the case?

Posted Tue 8 Nov 2016 9.19pm by Banker

After 4 weeks taking enstillar legs have been clear now for 10 weeks.

Posted Tue 8 Nov 2016 11.16pm by moneypenny

Im new on here but just been prescribed this foam by my dermatologist, cant wait to pick it up and give it a try after reading through these comments, ive tried ciclosporin which cleared me completely after 3 months but returned around a month after treatment was stopped ๐Ÿ™ now im 6 months into a course of fumaderm which is working slowly but im hoping enstillar will help clear it up.

Posted Wed 9 Nov 2016 11.58am by Jake

My GP wrote prescription as soon as I described Enstilar to her, no problems so I'm sorry to hear some of you out there aren't having much luck with your GPs. One person mentioned the 4 day supply. Mine has lasted about a month and got another one no problem. The guidelines say that if you use the maximum safe amount per day then the canister runs out after 4 days, but it should last you at least 3 weeks if not more. use it sparingly and it works fine. So glad they came out with this. There is a pill that FDA has approved which heals completely but UK is about the only country that does not make this available. Anyway, good that more & more options for treatment coming out.

Posted Wed 9 Nov 2016 5.23pm by Dawnadamson1984
32 years old and suffered with psoriasis since sitting my exams in school

Hi there, I have been using instellar foam for the last 3 weeks. I get it through my dermatologist though. As far as I'm aware (according to my gp) they can't prescribe unless a prescription request is put through from dermatologist. Hope this help. Within 2 weeks my skin is fantastic and I'm not living a double life as a slimy slug anymore haha

Posted Wed 9 Nov 2016 5.41pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

@jake - Agree with the 4-day "warning" to prevent overdose, but it can run out that quickly if you have a lot of skin area to treat.

@Dawnadamson1984 - I've not heard that before, and I think quite a lot of people commenting on this thread have got it directly from their GP. Maybe it's variable across different regions.

Posted Thu 10 Nov 2016 10.55am by gtom

Doctor has agreed to give this a trial after firstly saying no. Fingers crossed, any advice on when best time to apply, after shower, bed time etc.

Posted Thu 10 Nov 2016 4.26pm by adamc

Gtom, I tend to put it on about 20 mins after shower and hr before bed evening only, now I'm on my 4th can I apply every other day and when its clear leave it for upto a week

Posted Fri 11 Nov 2016 9.40pm by gingermonkey
For several years...drives me mad but won't bring me down.

1 week in and the foam has made a great difference. If you are hesitating or putting off getting a script - don't.

Give it a go but be strict with applying it every day. I don't think you need to put too much on tbh, but bloody hell it's cold...

Posted Sat 12 Nov 2016 3.24pm by Jason M

Hi all

I have just got this on a script today from my GP. Hot off the press this is now classed as a green drug and can be prescribed by the GP.

Used it for the first time and the application is easy no rubbing in. Early days but fingers crossed.



Posted Wed 16 Nov 2016 6.36pm by VickyH

I went to gp yesterday in Poole, Dorset. Dr had not heard of this treatment, made him google it. After persuading him to give it to me, as his view was it's the same as dovobet, I got my prescription for 120g. Just put it on, blimey was it cold. Very weird texture - I will give anything ago. So easy to apply!

Posted Wed 16 Nov 2016 6.40pm by Cambrinus
Sporadic scale psoriasis

If it's cold, spray it onto your palm, leave it for a short while, then rub it in, completely; that's the secret.

Posted Wed 16 Nov 2016 6.51pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

To anyone having the same issues as VickyH and many others in this Forum discussion, trying to persuade a GP to prescribe Enstilar:

If your GP says "but it's the same as Dovobet", please remind them that even though it has the same active ingredients as Dovabet, the carrier is different and it makes the drugs better absorbed. The cost is also the same.

Disclosure: I am not medically qualified, and have no links to Leo Pharmaceuticals, the manufacturer of both Dovobet and Enstilar. I am, however, scientifically qualified, and have read the clinical trial results testing Dovobet against Enstilar.

Posted Wed 16 Nov 2016 7.31pm by Pegs

I've been really lucky with my GP, currently got it on repeat prescription, 3 cans every 4 weeks which is plenty. I used it daily at first until my skin was smooth, then had 2 weeks break including a week in sunny Turkey where I was happy to get my legs out and enjoy the sun. Since then I have noticed small patches reappear so using it about every other day to keep it at bay.

Posted Thu 17 Nov 2016 11am by gtom

One week in and things are going great. Itching has completely stopped, rash has faded - this has really made such a large improvement. Back to the doc's early Dec. and see where we go from here.

As the saying goes "I'm over the moon"

Posted Thu 17 Nov 2016 11.55am by Toodlesoodles

Been using Enstilar 8 weeks and have been a little hesitant to say anything in case I jinx it but my word, Enstilar is fantastic. It's worked on all the patches I've applied it to but most importantly it's working on the largest patch of psoriasis I have on my lower left leg. Dovobet didn't really do anything to this patch but Enstilar is clearing it up. No scaling, very flat and smooth and the pinkness is fading every day.

Won't be long until this is being prescribed everywhere I imagine.

Posted Thu 17 Nov 2016 12.12pm by Alvy

Hi glad to hear of your success with Enstilar. I see you have been using it for 8 was, is this without a break, as I was told 4wks then have a break?

Posted Thu 17 Nov 2016 2.11pm by Toodlesoodles

Sorry that was a typo. 8 DAYS I've been using it.

Yeah I was told to use it for a month (4 weeks). Not sure what I'm to do after that but I'll probably cut it down to every other day for the week following and then only at weekends after that.

Posted Thu 17 Nov 2016 4.52pm by Carole


Glad to hear you are having success with Enstilar, Seems Doctors have different ideas,I'm a little confused as my GP has now told me to use it for 2 months without a break???? Has anyone else been told this please|?

Posted Fri 18 Nov 2016 6.04pm by moneypenny

Ive been using Enstilar for 3 days and i cant believe how great it is, the lighter areas are almost gone and the bigger tougher areas are also clearing better than any other cream has done before, hope it carrys on and i dont have a rebound, i noticed a comment saying that it came back worse than ever so im a little worried about that.

Posted Sun 20 Nov 2016 9.39pm by Pat
Hi my name is Pat and I have suffered psoriasis on and off for 30 years and at the moment I have it under control with the help of Dr Lewis


I'm from Wolverhampton but attend the QE Hospital in Birmingham under Dr Lewis for my psoriasis. 3 weeks ago Dr Lewis told me about the foam and suggested I try it as I wasn't having a great deal to of success with the recent tablets I've tried. My legs, with no other medication are surprising clear almost to the point of no psoriasis showing at all which I'm thrilled with. No quibbles, complaints or mention of price from Dr Lewis as she suggested it as it was getting good result. She and the other doctors here have been very helpful throughout my treatment. She gave me a prescription to take to my doctor and again nothing said about costs.

IMOP I would recommend this to anyone as it has been superb for me and hope you all get a shot at it.


Posted Tue 22 Nov 2016 9.38pm by Gopher680

Been to my dermotologist this week and would not prescribe this lucky my GP is the best in the world got it on repeat no problem at all

Posted Thu 24 Nov 2016 5.19pm by scarletsmummy

the dermatologist prescribed this for me 2 months ago and advised me to use it for a month ( as its a steroid) I used for a month and My skin is almost clear , the can does not last long so if you have to pay for prescriptions ensure the doctor puts more than one on a form. I am now down to using it just once a week on the tiny patches i have left on my body .You can also use this on your scalp i did try it but as my hair is quite thick it had little or no effect . I would highly recommend for the skin though , good luck with it . Jean

Posted Fri 25 Nov 2016 1.43pm by frinchh

Hi, I have psoriasis for about 15 years. I am writing from Turkey. Can I bring it without a prescription? Would your help ?

Posted Fri 25 Nov 2016 5.54pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Hi "Frinchh". Enstilar is a Prescription-only medicine, I'm afraid. So you would need to have a doctor prescribe it for you. Is it not available in Turkey?

Posted Mon 28 Nov 2016 1.22pm by Sue L.

I was prescribed Enstilar by the consultant dermatologist 2 weeks ago. When collecting the prescription from the chemist I found Dovobet in the bag. I queried this with the pharmacist who told me "we don't have Enstilar, Dovobet is the same" - which of course it isn't. I was very annoyed. I phoned the consultant's office and a new prescription was made out which I took to another chemist in town who I was told would have the Enstilar. They did. But the point being the first pharmacist was totally out of order making a substitution, just because it wasn't on his approved list.

So I guess not all dispensaries can obtain Enstilar.

However, my comments on using it are that I find it very greasy and the spray can wasteful. To reduce "spray waste" I spray it into a lidded plastic container (over the bath) and use sparingly from there. I have so far found that some of my ps patches are starting to show signs of clearing but it's not making any difference on others. My biggest problem is ps on my scalp, which is practically all over it and drives me insane with the itching and of course the scurf that falls everywhere. I haven't used the Enstilar on my scalp yet as, previously mentioned, it's very greasy and I'm worried it will be a nightmare to shampoo out. I'm also cautious about using steroids on my head! Has anyone got any experience of scalp use? Combined with the fact that I am also now on Acitretin, which has a possible side effect of hair loss, I'm reluctant to use anything that might aide and abet this downside.

I've had ps for 33 years and have applied every known substance to man on it!! Trust me, even stuff you wouldn't believe. Earlier this year I was prescribed light therapy treatment which was hugely successful, so much so that I actually wore skirts with bare legs for at least 3 months. That is the first time in decades that I have eve been able to do that. It was pure joy. And was even more joyous when a stranger in the street passed by and said "nice legs". Huh, who'd have thought it, at 63. Unfortunately, you can't stay on LT continuously because.......guess what.....you could get skin cancer.

I know that ps is not life threatening......crikey I've been told that enough times, but when you get so depressed about it then I think it most certainly could be life threatening and should be considered hugely when seeing GP's and consultants. It's very debilitating.

Posted Mon 28 Nov 2016 3.10pm by Busdriver

Does anyone know if Enstilor Foam is available in Canada? I was using Verdeso Foam but I was told that it is not being made anymore....

Posted Sat 3 Dec 2016 12.20pm by Pil (edited Sat 3 Dec 2016 3.36pm by Pil)

Have been on this for a month now and it's better than anything I have ever used. I also take methotrexate and folic acid and between them all its better than its been in about 20 years. Enstilar absorbs so much better than dovobet, is quicker and easier to apply and I noticed the difference literally from day one. Have just had a repeat prescription from the GP too so all good. To anyone having problems getting this prescribed, don't give up the fight. It may very well have the same active ingredients as dovobet but it definately works a lot better

Posted Fri 9 Dec 2016 6.58pm by Oatcake

Sadly Enstilar hasn't had much effect on my psoriasis covered hands. I have been using it for 2 months now on the instruction of my consultant dermatologist and had high hopes in the beginning but they are as bad as ever and I am now having to stop using it for 2 months. Feeling fed up of being in constant pain :(

Posted Fri 9 Dec 2016 7.06pm by sjp123

I am so sorry it isn't working for you. I did write saying it wasn't working for me but I was wrong it does work. I have had this vile skin disease off and on for 50 years. I haven't had it on my hands but have had it on my feet. I really hope you can find something that works for you

Posted Fri 9 Dec 2016 7.19pm by Oatcake

Thankyou sjp123, I am at my wits end at the mo as nothing seems to be helping, it really is a vile disease. I am really pleased to hear you have had a good experience with it. I think another trip to the dermatologist is on the cards for me.

Posted Fri 9 Dec 2016 11.26pm by Carole

Hi oatcake, I know exactly how you feel, I have been using Enstilar since End of Aug, I have P on hands and feet, severe, It is painful and sore and impossible to do basic tasks some days, The E starts to work for the first 2 weeks for me, then week 3 and 4 my skin gets raw and peels in sheets until I cant bare to put anything on it. Then it flares up with avengence. I have tried hundreds ( honestly) of ointments, creams, steroids, PUVA, Acetretin, Pro topics nothing clears it . At least I get a short window of near normality in the two weeks it works. I too am at my wits end, not knowing whether to continue and suffer the sore peels, My GP prescribes it regularly for me I am lucky there, but after 8 weeks I have to have a month free before starting again. Has any body else had similar results please?

Posted Sat 10 Dec 2016 0.09am by Oatcake

Hi Carole, sending you virtual hugs, I too struggle to do the most basic tasksas my hands hurt so much, I cant even hold my little boys hand as it hurts too much :(. I had a similar experience with the Enstilar, it seeming to work at first and then my skin gets worse again. I am considering buying a UVB lamp but am hesitant to spend £££ and then it not work. It is so difficult to know what will help. Maybe I should ask Santa for some new hands this christmas!

Posted Sat 10 Dec 2016 10.58am by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Hi Oatcake, I've had a lot of success with Enstilar, but I must admit the place where it hasn't really worked is on my hands - both on the palms and on my fingers. For a least temporary relief, I have had success with using Hydromol emollient (it's like lard!). I put it on my hands at night, and wear cotton gloves over the top (available from Boots)*. If I'm gardening, I do the same, and add a pair of gardening gloves on top as well.

* beware of the warning on the Hydromol, that it's quite flammable, especially with cotton gloves, so don't get them near naked flames!

Narrow-band UVB seems to be working on hands now (at the dermatology clinic).

Posted Sat 10 Dec 2016 1.48pm by Carole

Thanks oatcake, and Peter, for the info, If its any help I have had NB UVB at the hospital for 10 weeks and it didnt improve my hands or feet, It left me with sun burn / tan to up to ankles and wrists, Epiderm ointment is my saviour when skin is cracked its like candle wax but does provide comfort, ditto re extremely flammable. I suppose its a trial and error thing to see what suits the individual.

Posted Tue 13 Dec 2016 1.18pm by Launa UK

Hi everyone,

sorry if this has already been asked and I have missed the reply but does anybody know if there is a version of Estilar for the scalp? I am currently prescribed Dovobet ointment but don't like using it all the time so would like to try an alternative if available?

I also apply coconut oil overnight which gives me great relief but doesn't last as long as I'd like. Any advise would be welcome as the itching and flaking are embarrassing and driving me insane at the moment. Thanks

Posted Tue 13 Dec 2016 3.12pm by Sue L.

Scalp psoriasis is the worst, as far as I'm concerned. I asked a similar question about Enstilar on the scalp in my (sorry, quite lengthy) post of 28 November, but have not seen a positive reply as yet.

ANY kind of treatment applied to the scalp is a worry - too near my brain for comfort! But the oily applications are the pits.

Psoriasis will only ever be cured by oral treatments as far as I'm concerned. What is on the outside is dead skin. The imbalance needs addressing from the inside. I am currently taking Acitretin but the side effects are alarming. What other options do we have?

Posted Tue 13 Dec 2016 4.23pm by RosetaStone

I am using Enstilar for scalp pustules.

It works and the scalp is clean after a week's use. I leave it overnight and it has worked. It did get very flaky and now its settled.

all the best

Posted Tue 13 Dec 2016 6.37pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Hi Sue, Hi Laura,

My GP prescribed me a specially-formulated gel + applicator for use on the scalp. The active ingredients are the same as Dovobet, but it's not greasy, like the ointment is. It's not the same carrier as in Enstilar (which gives absorption benefits), but it's much easier to use than the ointment.

You can see it here: http://www.imt.ie/mims/dovobet-gel-applicator-01-10-2015/

(It's available in the UK as well - I just couldn't find a good link!)

Best wishes,


Posted Wed 14 Dec 2016 9.15am by Launa UK

Hi there,

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. On my next doctors appointment I feel much more confident in discussing my needs and what is actually now available, rather than just getting fobbed off with the usual prescription. All your advise and knowledge is much appreciated.

Kindest regards


Posted Wed 14 Dec 2016 10.09am by Sue L.

Peter - thank you for your helpful reply. I have screen shot the page from the link you kindly provided and will take it to my GP to see if I can be prescribed this particular product.

Very kind.

Best regards,


Posted Fri 16 Dec 2016 7.07pm by Helen T

Hi there

I'm new! I have just today picked up my prescription for Enstilar Foam. I've had psoriasis for over 14 years. It started about the size of a 10p on both elbows and stayed that way for a good while However, after 4yrs it was right down the back of my forearms, very fiery and bright red! Over the years it has spread to my wrists, knuckles and worst of all, over the back of my thighs, calves and ankles. I've even had it on the palm of my hands.

My legs were the worst and I always wear trousers and find it very difficult on holiday. 3 weeks of sun and sea water really improves it however a humid climate doesn't and I tend to go somewhere more remote as I don't like showing my legs because of it!

I have spent years using (or trying to use) Dobovet but I found it very difficult to apply and got sick of it mucking up the sheets and rubbing off on furniture etc. I changed Dr surgery a few years back and I find him great - he immediately referred me to a consultant who then referred me to the hospital for light treatment. This didn't really work and it really was time consuming going to the hospital 3 times a week - my employers were sympathetic but I doubt others would have been so good.

After 3 sessions over 3 yrs I was then referred to the skin specialist at the hospital who prescribed me Fumaderm (unlicensed) of which the dosage is build up over 3 months, i.e. one a day, then 2 then 3. This has made a significant difference to my legs but side effects were pretty bad - diarrhoea, wind, terrible stomach cramps, hot red flushes, feeling of prickly heat, slight hair loss, constantly dreams and I also developed a rash on my chin and a very itchy rash on my stomach. The side effects were causing me a lot of stress and I was having to have regular blood tests as it can damage the kidneys, so I reduced the tablets but I've now come off them.

The Dr just automatically prescribed me with Enstilar foam and some other stuff for the chin so can't wait to start the foam.

So in a nut shell I think I have had pretty good service, I didn't even know about Enstilar and it was offered to me there and then and she wants to see me in a week's time to look at progress.

I had nearly given up and was just prepared to cover up but I'm hoping this helps.

Would like to know the results of anyone else who has tried it.

In the meantime have a stress free Xmas and a miracle in the New Year!!!!

Posted Thu 29 Dec 2016 8.43am by Awaywithyou

I discovered this forum after my ps had become the worst it's ever been particularly on my scalp,I have been using dovobet for years without much joy.After a week of using enstilar my skin has improved rapidly and given me real hope for the first time in years,I am planning to use it every day for a month and then cut down.

Posted Thu 29 Dec 2016 11.39am by Mrs scott

Having suffered for 42 years, had hospital stays, numerous creams and ointments, taken methotrexate ,acitrectin and another tablet I can't remember, had light treatment in the summer. I have been using enstilar since August and the results are fantastic. I'm using it just twice a week now. I was even thinking is it the enstilar or is it my age I'm 49 and was thinking is my body changes as i heared your body changes every 7 years, I started with psoriasis at 7 years of age.

Posted Thu 29 Dec 2016 1.12pm by Helen T

I've been using the Enstilar foam for almost 2 weeks, almost every day (miss a couple of days over xmas as staying away from home and forgot to take it with me). What a difference, wow it is amazing. So easy to apply. A little bit greasy but nothing compared to dovobet. I've tried all sorts of treatments and it is the only thing that has had an instant effect on treating my PS.

After so many years, I might get back into swimming in 2017!!!!!

Please give it a try

Posted Thu 5 Jan 2017 11.43pm by Reyno

No joy here in Wigston Leicester, went to the doctors today, he had not heard about it so did a search and showing not to be prescribed by this Practice, I saw the price on screen and as others have posted it showed £39.68. I have only ever responded to Light Therapy but my P is coming back at a fast rate and it's been just over a year since my last Light Therapy.

Posted Fri 6 Jan 2017 5.33pm by Cambrinus
Sporadic scale psoriasis

It is up for discussion in Leics. this month - they keep putting off the decision as to whether to authorise it (why?) It is the same price as Dovobet, but delivers the ingredients more effectively!

Posted Sat 7 Jan 2017 10.17am by Helen T

Try asking your GP to refer you to a consultant. All my PS treatment/prescriptions are done through the consultant at my local hospital. In fact, my next appointment isn't til April and I've been told to ring the consultant's PA if I need a repeat prescription and she just sends me one in the post.

I never had this service from my last GP but the minute I changed, which is about 5 yrs ago, my GP immediately referred me to a consultant without me even asking. He is brilliant - he is the most senior GP in the practice which may help. Try switching to the senior GP in your practice as, I suppose they are the decision makers.

It is expensive, but it goes a long way if you apply it on localised areas rather than randomly. Sometimes I have a day off and just have an all over moisturise with PS friendly moisturiser.

It's a terrible shame that some can get the prescription and others can't - keep trying, it's definitely worth it.

Posted Sat 7 Jan 2017 10.28am by Cambrinus
Sporadic scale psoriasis

Helen T. is absolutely right, except that you can, if you are really suffering long term or seriously, insist on seeing a consultant.

I am in the middle of a course of Acitretin, but was prescribed Enstilar just once, before my location (Leics.) meant that it could not be prescribed; it is, supposedly, under review and the hold up may be due to copyright restrictions.

Posted Sun 8 Jan 2017 6.05pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Hi Cambrinus, It won't be about copyright (or even patent) restrictions. It will be about money, or at least the perception of saving money. I contacted the Psoriasis Association about this unevenness of prescribing, and they were going to raise it as an issue.

Posted Sun 8 Jan 2017 6.26pm by Cambrinus
Sporadic scale psoriasis

Patent; the word escaped me at the time. Thanks, Peter W.

However, can it be about money, purely and simply, if Enstilar hardly differs in price from Dovobet?

Posted Sun 8 Jan 2017 7.55pm by Vivgreen80 (edited Sun 8 Jan 2017 7.59pm by Vivgreen80)


Quick update. I was prescribed enstilar for 4 weeks, it was amazing. When the 4 weeks was up I was told to take a break. Within 2 weeks my skin was worse than it was pre enstilar.

I'm now having phototherapy, due to me being pale and a red head I started at 15 seconds so it may take some time.

I've started up the enstilar along with phototherapy. Consultant said to use enstilar every day for first 2 weeks of phototherapy, Then drop down to every other day, then twice a week. Hopefully by the end of 6 weeks I should be clear again.

BUT then what? This frustrates me. I asked if it was possible to stay at phototherapy maybe once a week as a maintenance dose but they won't do it. (they do for eczema, not for psoriasis)

So I feel like I'm going through all this for nothing as I know the minute phototherapy is over and I'm weaned off steroids that it will break out again and I'll be back exactly where i started :/

Posted Sun 8 Jan 2017 8.05pm by Awaywithyou

The reluctance to prescribe is purely down to money I feel,people keep saying the price is the same as dovabet but personally a can of enstilar will last me a week using it everyday however dovabet ointment would last about 2 1/2 --- 3 weeks.At least double the price.

Posted Mon 9 Jan 2017 8.53am by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Hi "Awaywithyou",

It's interesting what you say about the cost. Technically, I think the price of Dovobet and Enstilar is the same (on a £ per mass of active ingredient):

This is Dovobet: http://www.mims.co.uk/Drugs/skin/psoriasis-seborrhoea-ichthyosis/dovobet

This is Enstilar: http://www.mims.co.uk/drugs/skin/psoriasis-seborrhoea-ichthyosis/enstilar

They are both about £40 for 60g, at the same concentration of actives.

However, I do agree with you about how long each product lasts (it's my experience as well). I wonder whether Enstilar runs out more quickly because people actually use it! Dovobet ointment is such horrible sticky stuff to use, whereas Enstilar is much more "user-friendly".

N.B. If that effect is true, it's not the (only) reason that Enstilar is better, though, as the clinical trial for Enstilar vs. Dovobet controlled for that, but it might be an additional factor why people seems to have a lot of success with it. i.e. they actually use it.

Posted Mon 9 Jan 2017 11.37am by gingermonkey
For several years...drives me mad but won't bring me down.

Hello, I've been using Enstilar for two 4 week periods. I've posted before about the effects. First few weeks saw dramatic shifting of patches and I now just have pale marks where the patches were. Whilst using it I've had some new small patches emerge that just don't respond to Enstilar at all which is really annoying given how effective it has been on other patches. Anyone any thoughts as to why? I don't think that you can build a resistance to this?

Posted Mon 9 Jan 2017 3.10pm by Awaywithyou

Hello Peter.W

I have been thinking exactly the same regarding the use of dovobet or lack of it ,however I have had prolonged periods using db everyday in the past and there is no doubt it takes longer to see any progress and plaques return a lot quicker after I slow down the treatment.

Posted Mon 9 Jan 2017 5.09pm by Helen T

Hi Peter

Totally agree. Dovobet is so horrible to apply I found I skipped using it especially when in a hurry. It also left greasy marks on bed linen, clothes and furniture. I don't think I used it as frequently as I should have so hence it lasting longer!

Posted Fri 13 Jan 2017 9.55pm by michelle373
I have had psoriasis for 24 years.

I've had psoriasis for 27 years and started using Enstilar last November Dr didn't want to give it to me it was a battle but I won I came away with 5! I told him how depressed I was getting and the unbearable itching was driving me mad.Best thing I've used and Ive tried a lot of treatments.Im almost clear and the itching has completely gone.I don't use it every day as I know steroids are not good for the skin.Its worth a try and don't take no for answer after all they don't have to live with this horrible condition.I feel so much better so much so I'm off to a spa day tomorrow something I would never of done before.Give it a try it just might help you too!

Posted Fri 13 Jan 2017 10.10pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Glad it's working for you, Michelle. :-)

Posted Thu 19 Jan 2017 3.28am by Lscott

Had psoriasis for33 years tried every cream ointment soap Chinese herbs been to hospital on many occasions for light treatment which works brilliantly for me but still returns after a few month so started using enstilar last week after 3 or 4 goes it's nearly cleared my psoriasis after one go the backs of my hands were smooth as a babies bum and they never clear up so this is the best thing since sliced bread to me hope it works as well on everybody else

Posted Sun 22 Jan 2017 12.03pm by Lizzie

i have been using Enstilar for about 4 weeks and it is definitely more effective than most other topical treatments. When I need to take the break I am not sure what to do! I was using a beeswax cream that was very good but not mixed with Enstilar.

I assume everyone moisturises when not using Enstilar? I don't know what to use. any recommendations?

also has anyone used the home light treatments that are available? I am tempted as it is difficult to go to the hospital 3 times a week when working!

This weekend I had a bath (rather than shower) every evening using a large amount of dead sea salt and a bfew drops of Lavender oil and found that this had a really good effect so I will try bathing every night to see if it helps.

Posted Sun 22 Jan 2017 3.03pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Hi Lizzie,

Yes, always moisturise with and without Enstilar. Diprobase, and Zerobase are both good moisturisers, and not too messy. Work with Enstilar as well - just let the Enstilar "soak in" for 5-10 mins before using.

Another (better) moisturiser is Hydromol. It looks a bit like lard, and is quite messy (leaves skin a bit oily), but really good. I've used it under cotton gloves at night when my hands are really dry - but beware of risk of catching fire - no naked flames!

There's also a Hydromol bath emollient that you add to the water when bathing. I would suspect it's better than sea salt+lavender oil, but I've not tried the latter.

Hope that helps.

Posted Sun 22 Jan 2017 4.49pm by Lizzie

thank you this is really helpful I will give this a go. try the saltwater bath as I always love it.

Posted Sat 28 Jan 2017 11.20am by Lizzie

Peter W thank you for your advice about the Hydromol, I have only been using it for 3 days and my skins feels and looks so much better! I used the emollient in the shower and the moisturiser afterwards. I will try the emollient in the bath with the dead sea salt and see how i go.


Posted Thu 9 Feb 2017 7.49pm by Cg17

Hello! I'm into the 3rd week of enstilar (and I've had the most amazing results) for those who have used this - am I to stop using it completely after 4 weeks are up or do I have to wean myself off? And also to those who have had success with the foam did PS come back once stopped using it?

Posted Fri 10 Feb 2017 4.24pm by Toodlesoodles

Sarah, I've not had any side effects that you've described and can't see how any of them would be related to the Enstilar (but hey, I'm no expert) but you are only supposed to use the Enstilar once a day.

Cg17, just like with any other steroid treatment, the psoriasis in most cases will come back after you stop using it. I too though am confused as to what to do after the 4 weeks is up. If you are to just stop using it or even wean yourself off it and the psoriasis comes right back, what's the point? I was first prescribed Enstilar in November. Used it for the 4 weeks and saw great results and then got a second can (wasn't as easy as the first and I'm unsure whether I'll be able to get a 3rd) which I was using every 2 or 3 days. I stopped using it altogether for almost 2 weeks and now with the psoriasis coming back I've started using it again since yesterday.

Really not sure what's expected of us because, again, if the psoriasis comes right back when you stop using then what's the point at all?

Posted Fri 10 Feb 2017 4.58pm by Lizzie

I met the consultant dermatologist who said that after the 4 weeks you can use for another 4 week - however you should only use on the areas of the body affected by the ps plaques. he recommended that if it comes back you use an alternative that has also worked previously. In my case I will try Exorex. the consultant was pleased with the results though.

I have had really good results but will be coming off the treatment this week. In the meantime i have had irritation on my hands - red and sore and i was advised that this might be because the Vitamin D thing in it cab=n do that. I will not try to solve that with more Enstilar. I have also noticed that I may have scalp ps - something I have not had in many many years - so not good.

Posted Fri 10 Feb 2017 5.40pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Hi Lizzie,

Great to hear that the Hydromol was giving you some relief. it's messy, but good when things are bad!

Interesting to hear what your consultant said. I've just finished 10 weeks phototherapy, which has virtually cleared everything (whoop, whoop!), and am using the occasional blast of Enstilar on the few tiny plaques left.


Posted Fri 10 Feb 2017 7.01pm by Toodlesoodles

Thanks for that response Lizzie.

Regarding Exorex.. you say that works for you? How long does it take before you get results with it? I've got some and have twice tried using it but it just seems to make my psoriasis more dry (even if I moisturise the area 5 mins after using Exorex and numerous times throughout the day), more red and angry looking and also makes it quite tender to the touch too.

I've read that it can make psoriasis look worse initially and that it can also take 4 weeks or so to work but as soon as I am due to go anywhere that makes me feel self-conscious about my psoriasis, I cave in and use Enstilar on the patches instead so I've never tried it any longer than

Posted Fri 10 Feb 2017 7.03pm by Toodlesoodles

^^ Oops.

(as I was saying) I've never tried it any longer than 8-9 days...

Posted Fri 10 Feb 2017 8.28pm by Lizzie

Hi Toodlesoodles,

I cant really remember how long it took last time for the exorex to work as its been a while - but i know it worked well when it worked. but like everything it soon loses efficacy.

its a real pain!maybe keep trying it somehere where the Ps cant bee seen if you feel self conscious.

I have never had such bad ps on my hands as in the last week and I am not sure what it can be but the only thing i have been using is Enstilar and hydromol - but then I have been using that all over and its made it better!

oh the joys of PS! i might take a leaf from Peter w and try the light treatment again.

good luck with the enstilar or exorex

Posted Fri 10 Feb 2017 11.12pm by Toodlesoodles

Lizzie, I have noticed that sometimes right after using Enstilar that I feel a tingly, almost slightly burning sensation on my hands although it's around the first knuckles of my fingers where no Enstilar comes in to contact so I'm not sure why that is. However it doesn't manifest as anything visual on my hands and I've never *touch wood* suffered from P on my hands.

Posted Mon 13 Feb 2017 3.57pm by Amyj153

A friend with P told me about Enstilar and said it was amazing so i went to my doctors and they prescribed me it and i found it really good. Once i finished it i then went back to the doctors who refused to prescribe me it again - giving the speech " its costs the nhs £40 for this". I felt myself boiling inside!!! im sorry but i pay my national insurance and i also pay £120 a year for my prescriptions surely that has to count for something right? Luckily i had an appointment with dermatology the week after and they couldn't believe i was refused so have forwarded a request to my doctors ha ha ha!

Honestly keep trying as it is worth it :)

Posted Mon 13 Feb 2017 4.55pm by michelle373
I have had psoriasis for 24 years.

I get so cross when that happens like you I pay for my prescriptions and always have and have always worked.I also buy a pre payment prescription card.So what if it costs £40 if it helps us with this horrible condition then we should be prescribed it.After all these doctors don't have to live with psoriasis.Stick to your guns like I did and refuse to leave until they give it to you!!.It has made a huge difference to me and has been the best thing I have ever used(I had P all over and I was itchy all over) I feel so much better about myself now.So dont take no for an answer and good luck!x

Posted Thu 16 Feb 2017 9.58pm by RichardGH

I have had P for nearly 20 years and have had great difficulty in controlling. UV was best but only lasts for a few weeks once finished. Dovonex and Dovobet ruined clothing and did not clear it. Having read about Enstilar on the forum I asked my GP. He had never heard of it but found it. It was not banned by the CCG and he said only cost about £5 more than Dovobet Gel. I have now been using for 3 weeks and the improvement is incredible. Itching improved, plaques going and redness now clearing. GP has put it on my repeats. Those of you with GP problems should keep pressing them.

Posted Fri 17 Feb 2017 6.01pm by Metarie1985
Beauty standard ignorer, unapologetic P sufferer for 10 years, determined to stay positive!

Had an excellent GP appointment today and told my GP about this. She was happy to prescribe it after a chat with the pharmacist while I wait for a derm referral. I'm in Aberdeen in case that helps anyone. Should be starting it on Monday so fingers crossed it works.

Any idea if this stuff is just for plaques or if it can be used on guttate? I know often you're not to apply stuff to normal skin so wouldn't be surprised if this is the same.

Damn, it's amazing the difference a good appointment can make, she literally couldn't have done more for me and was full of sympathy for how quickly my skin has turned on me. Feeling lots more positive.

Posted Sat 18 Feb 2017 12.09pm by Gopher680

This worked for me really well at the start.but not so much now, my psoriasis is a lot worse been on light treatment since December, finishing on Monday not worked at all so another trip to see the dermatologist to see what else I can try I really hate this condition

Posted Sat 18 Feb 2017 4.16pm by Carole

Hi, Yes i agree with Gopher68o, I started my Enstilar treatment hand and feet August and the first couple of months were a vast improvement. P came back with avengement during each Enstilar free period, Its a horrid disease, Hope its a different story for everyone else. I still use it for a period of 3 weeks with a fortnight break in between just to give me a week where my hands are almost normal, but to be honest I don't see that there is anything that can shift it now. Everything new works for a little while only. sorry to be so negative, just saying it as it is for me.

Posted Mon 20 Feb 2017 9.15pm by thegrimreaper

Well I found this site a week ago on Sunday sat reading all of your comments on how well the Enstilar treatment is going for you all, I decided to go see my G.P. who had never heard of the stuff looked in his little book of meds found the price of it and seeing as I had used Dovobet without any luck said he would let me have some, he prescribed me 4 cans started the treatment a week ago today by Wednesday my face had completely cleared of the P so stopped using it on my face which is still clear continued using it on the rest of my body up to now used one can and the difference WOW cant believe how good this stuff is going to give my body a break for the next few days just to see how I go on. I have had Psoriasis for 47 years and gone through coaltar treatment light treatment Dovobet countless shirts and trousers even remember having coaltar spread on my legs and then being bound in bandages for about a week with no success now that stunk didnt work either I am so glad that I found this site and read all the messages thankyou all for voicing your comments for everyone to read


Posted Mon 20 Feb 2017 9.52pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Hi Mark,

So pleased that you've found some relief from Enstilar.


Posted Tue 21 Feb 2017 2.24am by Amy (edited Tue 21 Feb 2017 2.25am by Amy)

Ive been using Enstilar for almost 2 weeks and it is absolutely amazing. This is the 3rd Rx that was prescribed for me with no results from the first 2. Can anyone tell me if it is truly a foam, mine seems to be more of a liquid even after I shake it really well before I use it. I also find it very hard to wash out of my hair, I'll take that as long as it continues to help ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

Posted Tue 21 Feb 2017 7.12am by Lizzie

Enstilar had great results for me except I now have ps on my hands and scalp which I never had before. I was told to stop using for a while so I have but then it all comes back! Which seems to be a pattern. I wonder if it's worth alternating the treatment on a daily basis? Or use Enstilar and then on the off period use something else forevermore. I had really good results last year (before Enstilar) with beeswax somight try that - but nothing is effective forever so as ps sufferers looks like we have to keep changing treatments regularly. Also for years I had a coal tar and deemivate ointment prescribed which worked a treat - but gps can't prescribe any more so now have to seek out private prescription. Will let you know how I get on.

Posted Thu 23 Feb 2017 1.25pm by Toodlesoodles


When you say you had good results from Beeswax, to what extent do you mean? Was it just a good moisturiser that relieved some scaling and itching or did you actually see improvement or clearance in the size/colour of the plaques?


Posted Thu 23 Feb 2017 2.16pm by Lizzie

Hi Toodlesoodle

My skin wasn't severe but had red plaques which disappeared after using the beeswax ointment. After some time it also stopped working but I am going to give it another go as I haven't used it for A while

Posted Sat 25 Feb 2017 11.25am by Stefan

I recently moved house and am waiting for my New local Dr's to register me. Apparently it's a 4 week wait! In the meantime I've bitten the bullet and bought Enstilar with my own money. It's not cheap so I can't do it for long but I'm hoping if I can prove it worked my new gp will be more inclined to prescribe it. Alternatively I'll seek out a dermatologist and make them tell my GP. Too soon for results but wanted to let you all know it can be bought privately.

Posted Sat 25 Feb 2017 1.31pm by RosetaStone

Enstilar will cause thinning of skin at the application site. Do not use in thin skin areas e.g arm pits, etc etc. Be very careful for scalp treatment. For scalp I use moisturisers and Enstilar, overnight on alternate days.

GP's been to a recent drug conference and updated me.

Enstilarโ€™s effectiveness appears to be down to presence of high alcohol base in the drug, which makes it 100% bio-available at the site of application. This is not the case with Dovobet etc.

The drug is now a regular prescription med at the GP for psoriasis patients. It delivers the drug effectively.

Posted Sat 25 Feb 2017 1.47pm by Lizzie

Dear all, the doctor advises no further use after max of 4-8 weeks.

I stopped and then PS came back and then I went back on too quickly - it hasn't been as effective so considering alternatives.

It's great if it works for you and keeps the psoriasis at bay for a long time.

Posted Mon 27 Feb 2017 11.28am by DiW

Hi All - I have had Psoriasis for over 35 years and am currently on biologics after all the topical meds, UV therapy, methotrexate, cyclosporin, acitretin .... the list goes on!

I sought out this forum to see what everyone else's experiences were. I didn't even know about Enstilar, but my job makes it impossible to use the very greasy ointments out there and so I was prescribed Enstilar by my dermatologist at the hospital. She prescribed it because she said it was a mousse and wouldn't be greasy - couldn't be furher from the truth.

It's probably one of the greasiest medications I have used and because it comes as a spray, splatters all over the surrounding area and clothing. My biggest problem area is my hands which I am using in addition to the biologic injections. My solution was to apply it and then wrap my hands in bandages so that I wasn't rendered totally incapacitated, however, the PI leaflet tells you not to use bandages or other dressings.

I am going to cease using it as it's totally impractical. Unfortunately, I know if I return it to the pharmacy, they will bin both cans, even though only one box has been opened. I will ask the pharmacy that they will do, but if that is the case, I will happily donate both cans to anyone who is struggling to get it prescribed to see if it works for them.

Posted Mon 27 Feb 2017 5.21pm by Lizzie

Dear DiW

I don't find Enstilar particularly greasy but since using it I notice that my PS is now on the back of my hands and scalp which I have never had.

As detailed in my previous post I was advised to stop using it for a while and then go back on it later. In the meantime many ps returned. Not sure what to do next I used exorex which is ok but doesn't do the trick. I am now using a beeswax formula which has really helped - I was advised to use milk thistle so I am doing that as well as taking a turmeric capsule. In just a few days my ps doesn't look angry and is calming down. I don't know how this will develop - I have had really good results with beeswax last year. But like every treatment it only lasts a while! I am using all over my body and in desperation also on my scalp after shampooing with capasal - I am not sure yet have how this will fair but will let you know

I would be interested to hear if anyone else has tried it and with what results? Do let me know and why don't you give it a go anyway.

Did your biologics work? And do you only have it on your hands?

Posted Tue 28 Feb 2017 9.40am by DiW

Hi - if I don't take anything it severely affects my whole body, so biologic injections keep it at bay, except for my hands which are the worst with open sores and loads of deep splits.

In order to be approved for biologics you have to jump through a lots of hoops and I had to leave it until it encompassed my whole body before I qualified. The cost is huge, hence how difficult it is to get approved.

Sadly I have tried two different ones, Humira and Cosentyx but neither seem to be able to sort out my hands - it's so hard when you're hands are unusable :-(

I'm pleased some people don't find it greasy, maybe I have a different dirmulation, but it really is like lard in a spray can and smells much worse.

Posted Tue 28 Feb 2017 11.16am by Metarie1985
Beauty standard ignorer, unapologetic P sufferer for 10 years, determined to stay positive!

I've been using this for a WEEK and the patches on my belly and thighs that have been around for YEARS are now soft and light pink, texture of normal skin again! Even just from a comfort point of view this is great. I've still got patches of guttate creeping in, it changes everyday but I'm feeling a lot more comfortable in my own skin, not scared of stretching and splitting my skin. Just need someone to help me do my back now!

I'm hoping to get UVB for the guttate - it'll take a while for the referral to come through but hopefully I can time it so that if I get any flare up from stopping the Enstilar foam then the UVB can clear it up.

Posted Tue 28 Feb 2017 12.15pm by Toodlesoodles


I've ordered some pure Beeswax from the web and am excited to see what it can do for me. How and how often do you apply it? Thank you.

Posted Tue 28 Feb 2017 12.58pm by Lizzie

Hi Toodlesoodle,

Great - I am really interested to see if it works for others too. I use the beard cream from trees and bees - maybe just check the ingredients against yours -same as repair cream but more quantity so cheaper.

I use it twice a day.

Good luck

Posted Wed 1 Mar 2017 10.13pm by 44aston

I was given Ensillar by my dermatologist, it seems like a miracle method of controlling scalp psoriasis. Have had the condition for fifty years., undiagnosed for twenty of them! Everything failed, but was given the foam to try last November, by Christmas no itching or flakes and the hairdresser said my scalp looked ok.

I spray small amount of foam on my fingers and part hair to rub on scalp. I haven't finished the can given in November. Have just had a check up appointment and will have another in July. If all is still ok will be discharged from dermatology department. Usage up to me, I use it at present the days between washing hair, approx every 2-3 days.

The GP mentioned expense so consultant gave me a prescription. On present usage 2 cans a year. GPs can't really complain. It's much cheaper for them than the various ointments and shampoo previously prescribed.

Hope it works for others with scalp psoriasis as well as it appears to work for me.

Posted Wed 1 Mar 2017 10.25pm by Amyj153

That's great to know it works for the scalp! I did my scalp with dovonex gel last Thursday and today it's only just started itching and growing back so it's definitely slowing down. I Will have a try with enstilar at the weekend :)

Posted Thu 2 Mar 2017 3.12pm by cotton

Hi I went to see the specialist at Bristol BRI this morning and prescribed Ensillar have just put the first lot on and itching does not seem quite so bad so fingers crossed

Have also been referred to rummatologist the new Dr I saw has at last made me feel I might get some help

Posted Thu 2 Mar 2017 9pm by Toodlesoodles

Lizzie, can't seem to find the Beeswax you have used? You have a direct link to where to buy from?

Posted Sat 4 Mar 2017 6.57pm by Toodlesoodles

Thank you Lizzie. Ordered some and it arrived today. How often were you applying it and how long before you saw a noticeable improvement?


Posted Sat 4 Mar 2017 7.03pm by Lizzie

Hi Toodlesoodle

I use it once or twice a day. It starts to show improvement after a few days depending on severity but will take a while for it to go completely- I have been using for 2 weeks and it looks much better but will take some time to go completely if it works this time around! I hope it works for you but as you know it's hard with psoriasis. Good luck would love to hear how you get on.

Posted Sun 5 Mar 2017 2.09am by anniephanie

Hello I have psoraisis on arms thighs and upper arms, I used Ensilar twice the psoraisis is looking good but the edges around it is peeling I know I did not over use but cannot figure out why the skin is peeling although there is pink patches of skin underneath. Did any one else have this problem? Many Thanks

Posted Wed 15 Mar 2017 3.52pm by gingermonkey
For several years...drives me mad but won't bring me down.

Have just had a repeat of Enstilar refused by GP on grounds of CCG changing policy. Offered dovobet as a generic instead (surprise surprise).

Awaiting a call back from the GP partner and aim to inform him of the crystals v soluble differences and that the price is the same!

For anyone else who might end up on the wrong end of a cost argument, see earlier threads regarding the differences.

Posted Wed 15 Mar 2017 6.56pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

@gingermonkey - Good for you! And Dovobet is not a generic (it's still under patent), it's just a different, and not so good, formulation. The clinical studies show that it's better.

Posted Mon 27 Mar 2017 6.42pm by Jone205

I tried enstillar around 6 months ago after seeing a specialist and the difference it made to my skin was quite something! I was so excited something had finally worked on my skin...although once I had ran out I went to my GP to see if I could get another prescription and she said dovobet had the same active ingredients and was much cheaper, she said there wouldn't be any difference between the products.... but there is MASSIVELY! Dovobet is so much less effective and I find I'm putting it on all the time, whereas I wasn't with enstillar and it still worked great. I'm going back to the doctors this week to demand they give me another prescription for enstillar as I've read that quite a few people have had it prescribed from their gp! Also, if anyone has got some advice...what moisturiser do you use in between using your steroid cream? I was told coconut better was the one to use...

Posted Mon 27 Mar 2017 7.08pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Hi Jone205,

Don't get fobbed off with Dovobet! See all the comments on this thread about why it's not the same as Enstilar.

As for moisturiser, I used plenty of Diprobase or Zerobase, but if things were particularly bad, I'd use Hydromol (very greasy!). NB Beware of naked flames!

Posted Tue 28 Mar 2017 12.31pm by gingermonkey
For several years...drives me mad but won't bring me down.

Turns out local CCG meds prescribing/purchasing strategy is changing in my area, expect this to be the case all over as they cut down on what they will prescribe.

In my area they have defined Enstilar as branded (it's not) and formally revert to dovobet as the generic alternative. The GP partner suggested (after a "debate" with me) he would write the script but I should take it out of area to get it from pharmacy not under restrictions. I chose to take it to my local one anyway prepared to have the argument, but despite the GP warning it was provided no problem, lucky left hand doesn't know what right hand is doing (for now at least!)

GP also said that a consultant letter on file supporting the use of enstilar would always defeat the CCG policy as this proves the medical case...since when does a GP not hold enough sway locally..?

I suspect the truth lies somewhere in between - GPs are managing this just as much as CCG, they all have budgets to cut/sustain.

Advice I would give is if it works for you don't hesitate to fight for it - these cuts will impact conditions such as pso because they are low priority to the above mentioned people and often the people affected by the condition accept what they told, albeit unhappily.

Posted Wed 26 Apr 2017 4.03pm by orangepeel

I read about this medication last night and booked appointment with the doctor today. I expected a "discussion" having noted all the previous comments, but I was given a prescription without a problem (Newcastle upon Tyne area) and was also given some Aveena Body wash and cream to try which has also been mentioned as worth trying on this feed. The foam was out of stock at the Pharmacists so I have to wait until tomorrow but looking forward to trying something new as my psoriasis has worsened to being extremely painful and unsightly for the last two years (suffered since 1980) but I thought there was nothing new to try so I have been persevering with my Dovonex! I will report back on how I get on. Thank you everyone for sharing.

Posted Wed 26 Apr 2017 4.29pm by adamc

Gingermonkey regarding a letter of recommendation from a dermatologist it works wonders I struggled to get it on repeat once I was evening given medicated shampoo instead because it was cheap.

Told my dermatologist about this he send a letter to my doctors stating that this product was to be used in my treatment and never had a problem since

Posted Sat 29 Apr 2017 9.22am by orangepeel

(Posted this on the scalp psoriasis forum) Having read the Enstilar forum messages on this site on Tuesday I went to the doctors and got Enstilar foam prescribed for my scalp and skin psoriasis as many people on the forum were using it for both conditions and getting great results. So from using it since Thursday teatime (as had to be ordered in) there has been a dramatic change in my condition of what was raging itching,painful and burning scalp and skin to none of the aforementioned for my skin and milder for my scalp as having to wash my hair I think reduces the benefit (I currently use Body shop Ginger anti-dandruff shampoo recommended by other scalp psoriasis sufferers which has helped) as there is a particular ingredient (?) in most shampoo brands on the market that the scalp psoriasis reacts to. I would suggest you read the enstilar forum messages as some people have not been able to get a prescription but I would recommend you trying to get it and give it a go if you are medically suitable. I also got Aveeno body wash and moisturiser prescribed (also advised from the forum) but I haven't tried the body wash to wash my hair yet as I didn't want a bad reaction when trying something new when I have needed to go out through the week so I will try it over the weekend at some point and let you knowhow it goes. Good luck!

Posted Sat 29 Apr 2017 10.40am by Cambrinus
Sporadic scale psoriasis

orangepeel, have you tried DiproSone lotion? It's made by Merck, Sharp and Dohme (in the UK). I use it sparingly on scalp psoriasis only and it keeps it pretty much under control.

Posted Sun 30 Apr 2017 8.13am by orangepeel

Cambrinus - thank you No I haven't tried diprosone lotion - I will see how I get on with enstillar form first as it is going well for both areas.

Posted Wed 10 May 2017 12.26pm by scott1989uk

Hi all

I was fortunate enough to get a prescription from my GP for this nearly 2 weeks ago.

Since then I've been using it on a few test patches on one of my legs. The scaling has disappeared but the pink patches remain. This is the stage I have got to before with other topicals and I am slightly concerned that I won't get any further improvement.

For those who posted in here a few months back that saw initial improvement - were you able to get rid of the redness completely with enstilar? And if you did, did things get worse after you finished using it?

Posted Fri 12 May 2017 8.58pm by Elliebaby
I am now 65 and have suffered with psoriasis for 50 years, I also have tried every treatment, but have never really been completely clear of

Can someone tell me have they used Enstilar for Guttate Psoriasis, or can it only be used for Plaque Psoriasis.

Posted Sat 13 May 2017 7.32am by Rosie

Hi I'm new to this forum. I've had psoriasis for 4years and it was mostly on my hands arms and ankles. I've had UVB treatment twice with good results but always returning after about 7 months. My GP who is excellent prescribed me Enstillar as I had been reading up about it was getting good reviews. I tried it for 4 weeks as prescribed with excellent results on my hands and arms they were clear no scaling or redness. Two weeks after it was beginning to return so I used small amount more on hands only. Anyway result is I appear to have had a rebound effect and have the worst flare up ever My arms hands and legs are scarlet and flaking ++++. I'm awaiting an appointment for UVB treatment and hoping it calms this down. Take care with this medication it appears to be a miracle cure but there is no such thing for psoriasis

Posted Sat 13 May 2017 7.57am by Lizzie

Hi Rosie

This was my experience too. Enstilar was fantastic but when I came off it - it was worse and when I tried to reuse it - it didn't help. My psoriasis was so bad everywhere - on my hand and scalp where I had not had it before. I am glad that others are not experiencing this reaction maybe only for some.

I hope that the light treatment works for you.

Posted Mon 15 May 2017 11.16am by PeterK

Hi everyone

I am new to this forum and I would just like to say thank you for this particular subject on Enstilar Foam.

I have had varying degrees of psoriasis for more than 40 years and have tried most treatments, all to no real avail.

At present I have P on my elbows, knees and ankles and the ankle one itches and hurts the most due to socks and shoes rubbing, its usually red and sometimes bleeds.

I found this forum and this topic about Enstilar foam a few weeks back which encouraged me to make an appointment to see my GP about this treatment, My Dr had never heard of it but looked it up and said he believes its similar to Dovobet (which has done virtually nothing for me over the years) he prescribed Enstilar and I ordered it from my Pharmacy.

OK I realise that this is very early days (6 days treatment) but at present my P has flattened, the redness has subsided and the itching and bleeding on my ankles have stopped and for once in so many years I feel as if this foam is being treated positively.

Thank you to the Psoriasis Association for bringing us this forum and for all the contributors to this thread that made me visit my GP to try Enstilar Foam.

As I say its very early days and I just hope that the initial positive response to my psoriasis continues.

Thank you again


Posted Fri 26 May 2017 7.41am by Linnie

I have the foam in melton mowbray, it's really good my elbows were clear in a week.

Posted Fri 26 May 2017 2.47pm by Busdriver

Is this foam available in Canada?? would love to try it.....

Posted Sat 27 May 2017 9.42pm by harmonica123

OK, so I'm now at least six months into usage of Enstilar. The patch on the back of my head cleared within a few days, and I had no problems, but then used it once for a little tingle that developed. After that nothing for about three months and then used it a few days, but now, all of of the time I'm completely free and have forgotten what an unpleasant problem it was. My clothes always needed the scurf brushing off, and the irritation made me want to dig patches off myself. Luckily, after 20 years of irritation, that's all gone, and I hope you have the same experience.. BTW I don't work for them !!

Posted Tue 20 Jun 2017 3.34pm by T86


I used enstilar for 4 weeks and it worked really well. All of my psoriasis which was raised and red went completely smooth and flat. I was left with quite a lot of scarring on my legs but this should fade over time with lots of moisturising and I use aloe vera gel.

The doc said I need to take a 4 week break before I can start using it again but in the meantime its starting to come back (ive not been using enstilar for 1.5 weeks). Has this happened to anyone else? What did you use on it?



Posted Wed 21 Jun 2017 2.54am by siomes

this is available in Australia now and its the best thing i have ever used.i cant take tablets as i'm scared of needles so this is the best option for me and i have had the best results. with a concession card it costs $5.60 from you local pharmacy. i get it from chemist warehouse. its a new treatment so get your GP to get you on this treatment.

Posted Wed 21 Jun 2017 11.17pm by Missmyrnin


I was prescribed this last week, I started it tuesday and although I do find it a little greasy it's a lot less greasy than anything else I've tried.

I've had severe psoriasis on the palms of my hands for the last 5-6 years and they got so bad I haven't bren able to wash my own dishes for 2 and a half years due to my skin splitting open or them becoming so dry I couldn't close them.

Yesterday I was so happy I was close to tears....i washed my own dishes up.

I know this may sound silly buy having to rely on other people to clean up after me made me feel so useless and like a burden.

I'm hoping it does clear up completely as I would love to see what my palms look like again lol.

And Tanya (t86) I have found a goats milk based body butter helps a lot as well if you still need something to use between treatments :-)

Posted Thu 22 Jun 2017 7.29am by gingermonkey
For several years...drives me mad but won't bring me down.

It's showing totally out of stock at the manufacturer end across areas of West and South Yorkshire. No date for new supplies.

Posted Sun 25 Jun 2017 1.18pm by siomes

Been Enstiler for a week and a half and my psoriasis has completely cleared for the first time since I was first diagnosed in 2002 only problem is that there's red marks where the psoriasis used to be. If I stretch the skin the redness disappears and there's nothing but clear skin and when I let go it goes back to redness. Is this perminant? Or will it eventually fade? This product is amazing. Takes me under 10 mins to do my whole body where as with ointment it took close to 30 mins sometimes even longer and then the stick feeling was annoying and I couldent go out anywhere after I applied the ointment when I put it on my face because of the grease residue. Try this product now. It changed me life for the better.

Posted Sun 25 Jun 2017 10.15pm by anniephanie (edited Sun 25 Jun 2017 10.18pm by anniephanie)

My psoraisis also did very well with the Enstilar but I was also left with red marks my specialist said that they would fade but it would take time. I also take soriatane and have one more month on that, so fingers crossed.

Posted Sun 25 Jun 2017 11.12pm by T86

@siomes - Hi i've had the same problem with scars and I've been using organic aloe vera gel and just moisturising as much as possible and it seems to be helping them fade, they are defiantly looking less red now, hope this helps!

Posted Tue 27 Jun 2017 3.53pm by PeterK

Just a brief update from my 15th May post.

I have been using Enstilar Foam for about 6 weeks now and I really am so pleased at the outcome, my P has disappeared apart from some red patches which I am treating with Bio Oil for scars, this oil is now taking the redness away and my skin is the best it has been for near on 40 years.

I am now hoping that this is not just a temporary remission in my skin condition and that if I can keep the previous P areas well and truly moisturised.

Good luck to anyone else trying Enstilar Foam.


Posted Wed 28 Jun 2017 9.15pm by Reyno

Got to Dermatology after a 5 month wait and got prescribed the foam, I told him my GP wouldn't prescribe it and was told he should do now. Really pleased, after one week my flaky skin has gone, I have only ever responded to Light Therapy before.

Posted Wed 28 Jun 2017 9.36pm by Linnie

Hi all

I really rate the foam and after using it I can advise that it's not long term results. I wish I could say differently I really do. But, I do think with a mixture of sun, foam, good Creams and a lifestyle that's healthy it is a tool to get you in a place where you can cope.

A miracle foam it isn't, a quick fix for special occasion or starting block for alternative lifestyle it is.

Posted Thu 29 Jun 2017 9.42am by RichardGH

I fully agree with the comments that it works well but you do get flare ups when you stop using it. My GP is happy to prescribe but has taken it off my repeats. He said that he does not wanting me using it continuously, which is tempting. His view is that flare-ups will be even worse when I eventually stop. I now use it intermittently along with Dovonex and Epiderm to keep things under control. The other problem that I have been informed of by my pharmacist is that Leo Pharma are having production problems and I have been told that it is not now available in the York area. At least I have a can and a half to keep me going. Good luck to anyone else using the foam.

Posted Thu 29 Jun 2017 9.50am by Linnie

My latest prescription is with the chemist too who says it's now hard to get. I have two cans thankfully and off to the sun tomorrow. I have in the past taken fumaderm, I was 50% covered and for the last 4 years I have only got small elbow patches. Not everyone knows of fumaderm and not all consultants will prescribe it as it's not licensed in the uk. It's extremely harsh with side effects but it works and for anyone who is in a dark place the side effects are worth it. I no longer take it as my blood counts and immune levels dropped severely, but I would take it again if my psoriasis became as bad as it was.

Posted Wed 5 Jul 2017 11.36pm by gingermonkey
For several years...drives me mad but won't bring me down.

Please see update I got from LEO today re enstilar supply problems:

Thank you for your enquiry regarding Enstilar® (calcipotriol/betamethasone dipropionate). You requested information regarding the availability of Enstilar in the United Kingdom.

LEO Pharma previously advised on 1st June that Enstilar® cutaneous foam would be temporarily unavailable in the UK from the beginning of June 2017 due to an unforeseen technical issue in the manufacturing process. By way of an update on 30th June Enstilar® cutaneous foam supply has now recommenced. However we expect fluctuations in supply to continue whilst stock flow normalises.

LEO Pharma will continue working to restore full supply as soon as possible. Our aim is to ensure treatment continuity and availability for patients.

We will continue to post updates and further developments on our web site: www.leo-pharma.co.uk

We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience that this may cause you. Our aim is to ensure treatment continuity and availability of LEO products for patients.

I hope you found this information helpful. Please do not hesitate to contact me if I can be of any further help.

Posted Tue 11 Jul 2017 2.46pm by Livvyg

Has anyone finished using Enstilar and their spots have come back????

Posted Tue 11 Jul 2017 2.53pm by T86

yes this happened to me and i cant get any more until the end of july. I went back to using dovobet which did actually get it back under control i am also using epaderm to moisturise.

Posted Tue 11 Jul 2017 9.13pm by Livvyg

Did they come back straight away??

Posted Wed 12 Jul 2017 9.54am by T86

yes it did come back straight away but not as bad as it was before I started enstilar and i did manage to get it back under control in a couple of weeks. I had P all over my legs and little patches on my elbows. Its been so much better since using enstilar, i've been wearing dresses this summer for the first time in 2 years!

Posted Wed 12 Jul 2017 12.23pm by Livvyg

Which moisturizer are you using?

Posted Fri 14 Jul 2017 1.05am by Kazwebbo

I was recently prescribed this by my dermatologist after being given all sorts of other useless treatments like penicillin for a month and other creams which made me itch. I have used dovobet for years and it is the only thing that has ever had any effect and since the foam enstilar has the same ingredients I felt more positive about using it. It has been great so far. Really easy to apply. So much quicker than the dovobet. The only down side is that it runs out quickly if you have quite a few areas to treat as I do. Not greasy and effective. I asked my GP for it and they prescribed it without seeing me cause the dermatologist had recommended it. Try it. If divobet works for you this is better. Just need something for my scalp now cause that is bad at the moment. Any ideas?

Posted Fri 14 Jul 2017 1.07am by Kazwebbo

By the way I live in Huddersfield regarding the last post about Getting enstilar.

Posted Fri 14 Jul 2017 9.41am by Cambrinus
Sporadic scale psoriasis

Enstilar is probably most effective for those already on Dovobet - same active constituents. I am using it at the same time as taking one capsule of Acitretin a day; this seems very effective and patches have all disappeared. I am only using the Enstilar very sparingly (on elbows).

For psoriasis of the scalp, have you tried DiproSone?

1 Posted Fri 14 Jul 2017 10.40am by Sheila54

I have just tried to get a repeat prescription for enstilar to be told they won't give it to me again, I can get dovobet gel no problem. The thing I can't understand is that both these products contain the same ingredients, yet they are happy for me to get continuous repeat prescription for dovobet. Enstilar is the only cream that has worked for me in 50 odd years of having this bloody rash, dovobet is too greasy and has really stopped working for me, I am so annoyed and upset, I understand that these medicines contain a steroid but I think the real reason they won't prescribe enstilar is the cost, but at what cost to my confidence and self-esteem, I was beginning to see a light at the end of a very dark tunnel in terms of seeing my clear skin, but no more, now back to trying to find something else that works ๐Ÿ˜ฅ

Posted Fri 14 Jul 2017 10.49am by T86

Hi Sheila

You should ask your gp again as mine did re prescribe it just said not to use it constantly, give your skin a break after 6 weeks.

Posted Fri 14 Jul 2017 2.14pm by Livvyg

Has anyone had success with their spots not coming back as mine are just light pink now

Posted Fri 14 Jul 2017 4.55pm by P free wishes

Hi all

I have just written a whole load and it hasn't sent !!!!

So in a nut shell

On wed I was PX'd by my dermo Elocom and Enstilar to use O/D as per instruction, has anyone else used these together ?

I'll use one in the day and one at night.

I have been using dovobet gel on my elbows , knees and ankles, I'm p free on my elbows and 95% free on my knees but my ankles have been rather stubborn.

I haven't used either before , just the dovobet.

I have had puva x2 with good results in the past and lasted a couple of years.

So I am hoping I get good results from these 2 and I can be rid of the " ugliness " on my lower legs ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป

Posted Tue 8 Aug 2017 6.46pm by Irene
Had it for the past 7 years which has increasingly become worse on all of body over that period of time. Last 'flare up' was November 2015

Prescribed Enstilar for my body and Protopic for my face by my dermatologist a few months ago after years of not having success with other medication. My GP put both on my repeat prescription as soon as she got the letter from the dermatologist. It worked wonders very quickly and I now have the clearest skin than I have had for many years. I can now wear make up with impunity with no signs of flakey, dry skin at all and feel more like my 'old self' and in fact I feel younger with so much more self esteem. Can't thank my dermatologist enough. I would love it if everyone with Psoriasis could benefit the way that I (eventually) have had.

Posted Thu 17 Aug 2017 10.41am by Peterb

Have had psoriasis now for 44 years with the only real success being methotrexate which after 15 years had to stop it because I could take no more liver biopsy's. Had all sorts of creams over the years t he best one for me being coal tar, acid, cream mix which, although messy, did work fairly well for me both on my body and head although with the head I would treat it at night wrapping it up with cling film to stop any staining. My wife recon I look like a dick head but that's a price worth paying.

II recently had prostate cancer and was treated with radiotherapy and for 3 years hormone injections. My psoriasis on my body, not my head, cleared completely but on completion on the hormone injections back it came with a vengeance. I went to see my doctor who referred me back to my dematologist hoping that, as hormone injections had cleared my body it could be a new approach to treating psoriasis.

He didn't want to know but prescribed me Enstilar. What a product. You can only use it on a month on month off period but it's been brilliant. My psoriasis has more or less disappeared and my doctor now supplies me as and when I need it. Wouldn't be without it now and just hope my body don't get too used to it and it starts to return.

Still treat my head with the tar cream but that I can accept.

Posted Thu 17 Aug 2017 12.54pm by Cambrinus
Sporadic scale psoriasis

Peterb, you might try DiproSone for your scalp, in all doses.

Posted Thu 17 Aug 2017 3.23pm by siomes (edited Thu 17 Aug 2017 3.23pm by siomes)

I have been using Enstiler for nearly two months now and my scars are still present but I have started to get dry bumps on all the places I'm applying the foam now. It's not scaly or itch and my psoriasis isn't coming back I just don't know what the small dry bumps are and how to treat them also. I will visit my GB soon.

Posted Thu 14 Sep 2017 3.53pm by Phil69

My doctor here in Ireland prescribed me Enstilar foam (4 cans) and I thought I would do some research first and then I came across this website which is great. I was so pleased to read how good this stuff is from everyone's comments so I went down to the local pharmacy to get some. Unfortunately they did not stock it and said they would need to order it for me, anyway I thought I better ask the price first :( and I was told it would cost me 374 euros!!! I told them I will need to go for a loan first LOL. You do not realise how good the NHS really is until you have lived with out it.

Posted Thu 14 Sep 2017 4.35pm by Cambrinus
Sporadic scale psoriasis

Hi Phil69. That is excessive, even for Ireland. I think that someone mentioned that it's about £28 in the UK?!

Posted Thu 14 Sep 2017 6.12pm by Phil69

Ah, maybe I can buy it in the UK on my next visit ;), 28 quid a can is a bit more bearable at least if it keeps P at bay for a while which seems to do?

BTW, does it work on the scalp?

Posted Thu 14 Sep 2017 6.22pm by PeterK

Phil I was under the impression it was POM so maybe you need a script in the UK!! (I maybe wrong).

Posted Thu 14 Sep 2017 6.25pm by Phil69

Thanks PeterK, I have an Irish prescription which I have been told can sometimes be used in the UK if the doctor is registered in the UK as well which apparently most Irish doctors are. Anyway, I would have no problem paying full price in the UK if I could get them, still much cheaper than here.

Posted Wed 27 Sep 2017 6.45pm by Fogo

I, too, think Enstilar is the best treatment I have ever had. My GP has prescribed it in the past but on a couple of occasions they have refused, offering Dovobet instead. On the last occasion a GP said they wouldn't prescribe it because there are concerns about its use. Has anyone else heard this? Personally I don't believe it. Otherwise this forum would have highlighted it.

Posted Wed 27 Sep 2017 6.59pm by RichardGH

My GP initially gave me Enstilar on a repeat basis. When I last requested the pharmacist in the practice spoke with the GP who was their dermatology lead and I had my repeats stopped on the grounds that I was overusing and once I stopped my P would return with even more severe flare-ups. Having spoken at length with my own GP he agreed he would prescribed on a case by case basis.

I agree that this product works. I use it sparingly and do not get severe flares. I would wish that dermatologists would read this forum and then send out clear message to GPs that this product works. Perhaps the Psoriasis Association could initiate a conversation with consultants rather than leave the sufferers to speak through this forum.

Posted Wed 27 Sep 2017 7.21pm by PeterK


I think your GP is very sensible prescribing Enstilar on a case by case basis.

The product works for me as well but I have an underlying worry about the continued use of such foam medication.

It's OK for everyone to read all the good reviews on this forum but I am more interested if long term use could cause me long term damage and I welcome them reviewing the medication very regularly.

This is a relatively new medication that seems to help some, however we need to be cautious that any long term use could cause more long term issues.


Posted Wed 27 Sep 2017 8.19pm by Fogo

I have not had Enstilar very often. Some of the GPs in my local practice haven't even heard of it. I was refused it at first until I informed them that it had been prescribed by a dermatologist and that it was the best thing I ever had. I have never had it on a repeat prescription. What is interesting is that a GP has never examined me to see the extent of the problem and to see how difficult it is to treat with a 30g tube of calcipotriol ointment.

Posted Sun 1 Oct 2017 8.51pm by Sue P

Has anyone had any negative effects whilst using Enstillar Foam. I've been using it on my hands & feet for 7 days. My skin has become very red, increased dry patches & severe cracking of the skin. Also my ankles have been aching badly. Not sure whether to carry on !

Posted Mon 2 Oct 2017 0.20am by Doggleboggle

I have just started using Enstilar and I have to say it's a miracle treatment for me. I had light therapy over 10 years ago when first diagnosed and gradually over the years it's crept back. When pregnant with my Daughter 3 years ago my psoriasis almost cleared up and then bang it came back with a vengeance after she was born. It has been the worst it's ever been my back was totally covered, arms, chest, lower legs, thighs and all round my hips and tummy. It had started to bleed regularly and was becoming extremely itchy and hot. My self esteem and mental health has suffered, maybe made worse by PND ??

It did take going to see a locum GP at my surgery and explaining how it was now

affecting my mental health that she agreed to refer me again. Appointment arrived (not til end Nov) and then I got a phone call explaining she had left Enstilar script for me to try.

Picked it up last Friday and after three days (three applications) my Husband and I were amazed at the difference and a week on it's like a miracle treatment. The Doc couldn't believe the results either and happily prescribed more. I used a can in the week due to the area it covers but I anticipate using less as time goes on. Daily application before bed is amazing compared to the last suggestion of Hydromol twice a day and wait 40mins then apply Dovobet morningand something else in the evening. Seriously with a toddler - and o can't actually reach some of the areas on my back!

I am interested to know the following if any of you can advise:

1. Once clear how do you prevent plaques returning is there a specific emollient or moisturiser that appears more effective? I have everything and at the moment Zero gel seems to be working well with Enstilar.

2. Have any of you had any non skin related side effects? Like sickness or general flu-like symptoms?

Thanks in advance!

Posted Wed 4 Oct 2017 4.24pm by Sue P

Well due to lack of response I feel I must be the only one to have side effects from Enstilar Foam. I have now been advised to stop using it. Nothing is working & im getting fed up.

Posted Wed 4 Oct 2017 4.29pm by Lizzie

Sue p

When I used it it was great at first but then I got terrible scalp psoriasis and the psoriasis on my hands and body got much worse. I am not sure whether it was a particularly stressful period and so skin suffered or whether it was the bad skin that brought on the psoriasis. I may try it again in small doses but don't want the p to be worse

Posted Wed 4 Oct 2017 7.27pm by Phil69

Sue P,

I can not comment on Enstilar as I never ended up using it. However, I saw your post, and thought I would give you some hope :).

I have been suffering from Psoriasis for around 30 years but luckily it has not affected me so much over the last 20 years, I just learned to live with it. Anyway, due to other health ailments including arthritis, sciatica and high blood pressure, I decided to give my body a huge overhaul as I was starting to be in too much pain that I needed to do something about. One of the first things I did was to start taking Curcumin/Turmeric to help with inflammation from arthritis and it helped with the pain so much so that I no longer use arthritis medication. I have since learned that all my ailments are related to inflammation in the body caused my a poor immune system which is caused by a poor diet.

So, I have based made lots of changes, mainly to eating habits. I have gone pretty much on a plant based diet, I have cut out all dairy, meat and processed foods. For sure, it takes a lot of motivation to have such a strict diet but the results have been great so far. My arthritis is much better, Psoriasis is CLEARING up and my high blood pressure has dropped so much my medication is halved already. I have only being doing this for a few weeks. Oh, weight is starting to drop off me too which is real bonus.

As I dig more into my health issues around inflammation, it seems all of it is connected. If the change of diet is too much for you, then I would definitely start taking curcumin supplements and research golden paste made from Turmeric. I would also consider doing an elimination diet and work on cutting foods from the following food groups to see if you have a tolerance to any of them.

1. Dairy and meat (all products)

2. Gluten

3. Veg/fruit from nightshade family (potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, eggplants etc)

4. Coffee

5. Starch

6. Processed foods (all)

You could try one group at time or a few. Just leave them out your diet for around 3 weeks and see if any improvement, if no improvement on one group try the next.

Posted Wed 4 Oct 2017 11.19pm by EmAlly

Hi Sue, I'm currently using Enstilar foam which i truly hate and I can definitely say I am having negative effects... the day after I use it the flakes are better but several days later and I am finding my Psoriasis getting worse, but I'm now in a catch 22 whilst I await another Derm appointment, the foam helps temporarily get rid of the flakes and to me this is the bit that I feel is getting me low and bad self esteem, so although my Psoriasis has increased in the 2 months using it, I feel cannot stop until I have an alternative solution. I have had P since I was about 11/12, and I have tried many different things, it is most severe at the moment on my scalp which is 100% covered, and then all over my chest/breasts and down my side's, the odd bits on my legs and arms I'm not fussed about. I found that Bettamousse worked for a time but has now become ineffective. Last year for approx a year I was put on Methotrexate and it totally cleared up over my entire body, I stopped taking it and 6 months later it started to come back, but so far Methotrexate is the only thing to have ever had any real effect, I hope to start back on this next. I've never been able to get Enstilar foam out of my hair in any less than 5 washes (and half of them with fairy washing up liquid).

Posted Thu 5 Oct 2017 8.26am by Sue P

Thanks Lizzie,Phil 69 & Em Ally for taking the time to respond to my plea on 4/10. Somehow just writing that & especially your responses have made me feel Iโ€™m not alone with this awful thing !!!

Em Ally, my Dermatologist is so helpful & if Iโ€™m having any issues Iโ€™m able to ring his secretary who then deals with my query & rings me back, which saves on time.

Phil, thanks & in my heart I truly believe in what your saying. I did do well down this path then went on holiday & mucked things up. Somehow I havenโ€™t been able to get back on track. My greatest achievement in the last couple of months is to ditch the alcohol but I seemed to have replaced it by eating all the crapiest shit around (excuse my phrase but it truly describes it) which is alien to me.

So maybe itโ€™s time for me to take back the responsibility of what I eat & how I look after this precious body & soul.

Thanks again for taking time to reply.

Enjoy your day. X

Posted Fri 6 Oct 2017 3.23pm by Phil69

Sue P,

I know it is really hard to change eating habits, and even harder when you have Psoriasis which gets you feeling down but worth looking at when you feel you can make the change.

However, I really would consider start taking Curcumin supplement, it really has made a big difference since I have started taking it. Curcumin is powerful anti-inflammatory spice which is in Turmeric.

Good luck and I hope your P improves soon.

Posted Fri 6 Oct 2017 3.29pm by Linnie

Have any of you tried fumaderm. I managed to get it, itโ€™s not licensed in the uk and the side affects are nasty. However, you will clear the psoriasis up by 99%. Then a mixture of creams and sunshine - a much better places to be in. Itโ€™s hard work to take the tablets though so if you do try it be warned ๐Ÿ˜‚

Posted Fri 6 Oct 2017 4.24pm by Sue P

Phil 69,

Thanks, Iโ€™ve just had a look on line & there seems to be so many different products between Turmeric & Curcumin. Any suggestions !


Thanks but no more drugs for me. Iโ€™ve had them all just about & every side effect multiplied by 100 too. The diet route is for me I just need to start. I had a lot of success with removing sugar & drinking Goats Kefir, a short intensive period of steroids seems to have knocked me back & my psoriasis forward.

However I know I need to take control once again & keep moving forward.

Thanks for both replying.

Posted Fri 6 Oct 2017 5.16pm by Phil69

Sue P,

I am in Ireland so we have Holland and Barrett here which is where I get mine. I am not sure where you are but the ones I buy are Curcumin 30 capsules (500mg) for 8.95, the ones I take also have a small amount of vitamin D (216 IU). As long as you use a good company then you should be ok. I also use golden paste which is Turmeric, Black pepper and coconut mixture, you can google it on how to make, it is very easy. At the minute I take a curcumin in the morning and then in late afternoon. I also take one teaspoon of my golden paste twice a day normally in a green smoothie so can not taste it ;). But you can take it anyway you like. I often have curries with a few extra teaspoons of my golden paste for an extra boost.

And, I am with you, I am sick of taking medication, and I hoping to stop taking meds altogether. Just on BP meds now, and hoping to get off them very soon!

Posted Fri 6 Oct 2017 6.27pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Hi Sue, Phil and others,

Could I just add a bit to the discussion ...

I really hope you get some benefit from Curcumin. However, the jury is still out on whether it is effective when taken orally. This recent study had somewhat mixed results: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4131208/

In summary, they concluded that: "... oral curcumin was well tolerated by patients with psoriasis. The overall response rate was low and we cannot rule out that the responses were due to a placebo effect or a natural disease remission. Nevertheless, excellent responses were observed in two patients and therefore, large, placebo controlled trials will be necessary to definitively prove or disprove oral curcumin as a potential therapeutic agent for psoriasis."

It looks like curcumin is very poorly absorbed by the oral route, but that new formulations might help with absorption.

It sounds like it might be worth a try for you though - you might be one of those (two out of 18, in the study) for whom it works!

Good luck.


Posted Fri 6 Oct 2017 7.39pm by Phil69

Thanks Peter for the link.

I am actually taken curcumin/turmeric for arthritis and not for psoriasis. I have had psoriasis for 30 years and I had already given up on all the prescription medication as none of them ever worked for me. I actually ended up on this forum because my new doctor suggested trying this new miracle medication called enstillar, so I thought I would research it. And, then after finding out the cost of enstillar I decided not to bother.

I ended up taken curcumin/turmeric to help with my arthritis so I could get off my prescription medication for my arthritis as the side affect of the medication was high BP. The curcumin/turmeric worked wonders for my arthritis within a few days and then after around a week I noticed my psoriasis starting to clear up and my BP drop!

Maybe it is a placebo affect, but considering I was not taken curcumin/turmeric for Psoriasis then I do not think it is but who knows.

Psoriasis like arthritis is a auto-immune disease, so maybe the anti-inflammatory properties of curcumin/turmeric is having the same affect on my psoriasis.

Interestingly the research in the link was done on curcumin and not turmeric, so maybe it is the turmeric that is working and not the curcumin. Maybe it is the curcumin in the turmeric which is working. Curcumin is not well as absorbed like you say which is why it is best taken with black pepper and coconut oil which increases its affect by 2000% apparently. Anyway, I have not researched it in great detail and only went off what some of the stuff I have read online and I thought it was worth a try as turmeric has been used for thousands of years for its health benefits. But, I think a lot of these research studies are little biased when many of them are sponsored by big pharma companies.

I do not think there is any harm in trying curcumin or/and turmeric even if it is only a placebo affect, I am sure there are a lot less side affects than some of these prescription medications.

Posted Fri 6 Oct 2017 8.02pm by Lizzie

I have also had good results with Turmeric - which I take in a capsule form (Pukka whole root) and I sprinkle turmeric on my yogurt every evening. I noticed an improvement when taking and when I came off it got worse. I was off it for a month or so mainly because I didn't get around to buying it but my skin deteriorated. I am now back on it and hoping the skin will improve. As it is anti inflammatory I think it helps reduce any rawness in the P. I think if it helps it's worth a try! I also take a vitamin d and omega 3 capsule - works for me but may not suit everyone. I had also used beeswax ointment on my skin which worked a treat but again after a while was not that effective - I may go back and try again.

Posted Fri 6 Oct 2017 8.12pm by Phil69

Lizzie, maybe worth trying the golden paste which maybe better and cheaper ;). You can add to all sorts of things. Lots of recipes online.

Posted Sat 7 Oct 2017 1.09pm by Peter W
Plaque psoriasis (on and off) since mid 1970s

Hi Paul,

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I suspect you're absolutely right about the oil (and hence golden paste). Research evidence seems to show it's much more solute in oils.


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